True broadcast camera

From @lemilkster543 :

Not sure I agree with the "There's obviously a number of you that are more interested in how the game looks than how it plays." statement 

@EA_Aljo  This, a hundred times over. For most of us the True Broadcast cam is what we've exclusively used for years and we've become extraordinarily adept at playing with it. It's essentially ingrained into our NHL series reflex and subconscious. The game, the experience, is just not the same without it, so dismissing it as us just wanting things to look good is missing the point. IT'S HOW WE PLAY THE GAME. It's what we want, what we've grown to love and it's pretty tone deaf of EA to just abruptly change it and not expect an uprising from a passionate base of hardcore gamers.

@bobo_32Thank you. With all due respect.. as customers, we deserve better than some sardonic comment from a community manager.

While the senseless removal of a loved feature clearly seems to be a game breaker for many of us, I'm honestly struggling to picture this alleged need to take this camera out completely as if it ruined the game, which is kind of what the developers' official response basically implied.

Look, I've been been buying EA NHL games for 25 years. Some were good, some were not-so-good but I cant recall ever being so disappointed.

Something I paid for was treacherously taken out post-release. I never would have bought this game if I had known.
All I know is I won't be playing this game again, and I swear I won't ever, ever buy another EA NHL game unless true broadcast is restored in the next few days of weeks.

@bobo_32 

I definitely get that is how many of you like to play. I'm talking about the overall changes to presentation, which this is a part of. Apologies for now clarifying that. Thanks for calling it out. That's on me.

@EA_Aljo"There's obviously a number of you that are more interested in how the game looks than how it plays. I'll be sure to pass on your feedback"

Your answer show why nhl 23 is failing right now. You are totalty unable to understand your customer, but worst than that, you don't even understand your own product.

The way the game look is not just important, it is, in fact, almost the only distinction between your game right now and the game 5 or 6 year ago. The gameplay of NHL din't change much since 5 or 6 year. And with respect, NHL gameplay is realy not strong enough to be a thing on is own.

The AI of nhl is the same for the last 10 year with couple of tweaking and gameplay ios the same with a couple more animation and feint.

So presenation and the look of the game is not just "important', it is in fact, essential to hide the fact that your gameplay have almost no evolution since more than 5 year.

If you cut that, the only thing that remain is a sport game with old gameplay, old IA and very good texture.

NHl 22 was a ok gameplay game with good presentation so it was a ok/goog hockey game.

Nhl 23 is a ok gameplay game with terrible presenation so it is very bad.

You can  try to upgrade gameplay ( restarting IA from the ground, a 4 or 5 year job) or keep ok gameplay with very good presentation and look.

The video and advertisement make us thing that nhl 23 was going to be a ok gameplay game with very good presentation so it was going to be good.

So The way the game look is not just important for offline player, it is essential to hide the fact that nhl gameplay is build on a very old system with very few little step forward in year. 

With fresh paint, we all tough that is was a nice house.   So, you din't repaint the house this year and now, we see that it is a old house that lack maintenance.  

@EA_Aljo Thanks for the clarifications about your last post. I would just like to point out that even if our reaction was only about the look and feel of the game, it would nevertheless be important as the NHL series is supposed to be a simulation, which means the presentation si very important.

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@EA_Aljo wrote:

We've been getting asked for better communication. The reasoning I posted about this change was in response to that. It wasn't about saving face. It was about being more transparent with the change. Again, something many have been asking for. 

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I have no reason to doubt you on that. But here's my question; eventhough I haven't been following these forums regularly for that long, I've spent a good chunk on time on it since the release of NHL 23 (for obvious reasons). I haven't seen ONE topic about true broadcast needing a change. Not ONE. I've seen plenty of other issues being discussed for this year's game, but not this one.

So why was it deemed a priority, over other things ? I understand that changes to a camera angle might be easier to do than fixing the whole strategy module. But why proceed to a change like this AFTER the game was released, rather than putting it on the list of 'things to look into for the next game' ? It seems to me that the transition would have been less criticized than a few week into the season, when the community is able to see the drastic change, from one day to another, without notice.

There's a plentora of 'smaller' issues such as this one being reported on this forum. Issues that we're being asked to 'wait for next year'. So when I see something like this being changed, but not a single topic on this forum asking for such a change...it feels like a desire to 'show change' for the sake of it. "Look, we're doing things !" is what I hear. I just wish the things they are doing were solving issues that are ACTUALLY being discussed here, or on Twitter, or other forums. 'True Broadcast' camera angle issue ISN'T something I've seen being discussed, ever.

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@Aralkar wrote:

So presenation and the look of the game is not just "important', it is in fact, essential to hide the fact that your gameplay have almost no evolution since more than 5 year.

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I absolutely understand the importance of presentation for you, but there are also people, such as myself, where it's not as important. My concern is gameplay. I need the game to play well and it does for me. I've been loving how gameplay feels with 23. All the players could look the same, there could be no crowd, no ads on the boards, no songs, etc. That stuff, to me, is not what I'm here for. That's just personal preference. However, we of course want the game to be as immersive as possible. We want you all to feel like you're playing in a real game or watching one. I know we've let many of you down because presentation isn't up to your standards. All I can say at this time is that we are extremely well aware of the feedback you've all shared with us. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can talk about regarding presentation changes at this time.

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@KomicJ wrote:

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@EA_Aljo wrote:

We've been getting asked for better communication. The reasoning I posted about this change was in response to that. It wasn't about saving face. It was about being more transparent with the change. Again, something many have been asking for. 

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I have no reason to doubt you on that. But here's my question; eventhough I haven't been following these forums regularly for that long, I've spent a good chunk on time on it since the release of NHL 23 (for obvious reasons). I haven't seen ONE topic about true broadcast needing a change. Not ONE. I've seen plenty of other issues being discussed for this year's game, but not this one.

So why was it deemed a priority, over other things ? I understand that changes to a camera angle might be easier to do than fixing the whole strategy module. But why proceed to a change like this AFTER the game was released, rather than putting it on the list of 'things to look into for the next game' ? It seems to me that the transition would have been less criticized than a few week into the season, when the community is able to see the drastic change, from one day to another, without notice.

There's a plentora of 'smaller' issues such as this one being reported on this forum. Issues that we're being asked to 'wait for next year'. So when I see something like this being changed, but not a single topic on this forum asking for such a change...it feels like a desire to 'show change' for the sake of it. "Look, we're doing things !" is what I hear. I just wish the things they are doing were solving issues that are ACTUALLY being discussed here, or on Twitter, or other forums. 'True Broadcast' camera angle issue ISN'T something I've seen being discussed, ever.

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The change to True Broadcast was a surprise to me as well. I already stated the reasons for the change so I won't go into those again. Keep in mind that it's not that this changed was deemed more important than strategies. They are 2 very different areas of the game with their own teams. The presentation team doesn't work on strategies. They are 2 separate teams with their own projects.

@EA_Aljo Im sick and tired of this devs team and NHL 23 ! True Broadcast cam now dead , all the replays ( goal , hit , save goalie introduction full broadcast presentation gone to ) it's unacceptable !!!!!! What a mess ! Patch after patch new problem came and you still not give what we want ! Put back true Broadcast cam back and full presentation broadcast back!

@EA_Aljo so the devs team don't care about what we want so ! 81 page of people want full presentation back and you and the devs say nothing to say about it ! WOW !

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