I finally want to have a presentation like this again at nhl 17 times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2HlZAAg2hc
Imagine having these types of intros with todays graphics wtih goalie presentation before the game and you se the players in the tunnel before they skate out on the ice and some national anthems before the face offs.Then you EA automaticly would have a 10 times better game and all the work around gameplay would really be worth it just cut off the arcade stuff or atleast have the option to turn off meters printed on the ice etc.You are not doing the brand of NHL justice with these demo type of feeling of the presentation we se in todays NHL game.
WOW, EA
This is so embarrassing for you!!!
I mean look at how good that presentation is.
At least admit this company has done a much better job at presentation.
Please forward this video to the people in charge.
Be honest to everyone this is just not right
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@j1735m wrote:
WOW, EA
This is so embarrassing for you!!!
I mean look at how good that presentation is.
At least admit this company has done a much better job at presentation.
Please forward this video to the people in charge.
Be honest to everyone this is just not right
I'm not going to deny how good their presentation was. They absolutely did an amazing job. Our focus has obviously been more on gameplay. First and foremost, we make a game that is intended to be played. Not just watched. Our efforts have had to have been more on the actual playing of the game as that is where our core audience is. If we made a game that focused only on presentation, we'd be upsetting and probably losing the high majority of our fans and most likely would have a difficult time sustaining this game.
We're currently focused on making you a part of the on-ice action. I know a big part of that for some of you is including every aspect of what it feels like to be watching a real game. I would love to see us get there someday. We'll have to wait and see if that happens. We're most certainly not ignoring presentation for NHL 24 though and will have more on this soon.
@nhluser100% agree with your words. In my opinion, presentation and authenticity in general, are as much important as the gameplay.
Today I even thought to go back to NHL 09 on PC because of the mods for immersion and checked NHL 09 videos on Youtube....but well, the game flow is a way too clunky and no skill stick....probably not, might be better to stay with NHL 23 or - if things go right😉 - buy NHL 24.
I am happy to hear EA_Aljo saying that the presentation is not ignored by EA. Even though this is not a promise, but it is a positive and hopeful statement at least. Let's see😁
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@j1735m wrote:WOW, EA
This is so embarrassing for you!!!
I mean look at how good that presentation is.
At least admit this company has done a much better job at presentation.
Please forward this video to the people in charge.
Be honest to everyone this is just not right
I'm not going to deny how good their presentation was. They absolutely did an amazing job. Our focus has obviously been more on gameplay. First and foremost, we make a game that is intended to be played. Not just watched. Our efforts have had to have been more on the actual playing of the game as that is where our core audience is. If we made a game that focused only on presentation, we'd be upsetting and probably losing the high majority of our fans and most likely would have a difficult time sustaining this game.
We're currently focused on making you a part of the on-ice action. I know a big part of that for some of you is including every aspect of what it feels like to be watching a real game. I would love to see us get there someday. We'll have to wait and see if that happens. We're most certainly not ignoring presentation for NHL 24 though and will have more on this soon.
@EA_AljoYou can easily accomplish both things just bringing back intros & replays like it was in NHL 22. Have 30-second intros talking about a star player/rivalry/ice show & replays for big hits & saves. You dont even have to overhaul anything, just re-add the feature. And it gives a reason for the glowstick additions & projections added in 23 🤯
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@RatedxPGxEnigma wrote:
@EA_AljoYou can easily accomplish both things just bringing back intros & replays like it was in NHL 22. Have 30-second intros talking about a star player/rivalry/ice show & replays for big hits & saves. You dont even have to overhaul anything, just re-add the feature. And it gives a reason for the glowstick additions & projections added in 23 🤯
Very little is actually easy to do. Contrary to popular belief, we can't just copy and paste features that were previously in the game.
@EA_AljoI remember the NBC package where a helicopter was flying over the home city of the teams before the game start. This is only a real video sequence. To show goalie statistics when the zoom goes to goalies. Maybe to add some real interviews from star players, or coaches before the game or period break about the teams or special players. For all these things no motion capturing would be necessary, but would make some customers very happy. Does this realy take so much resources to add ? Everyone could switch it off if don't like.
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@Froommey wrote:
@EA_AljoI remember the NBC package where a helicopter was flying over the home city of the teams before the game start. This is only a real video sequence. To show goalie statistics when the zoom goes to goalies. Maybe to add some real interviews from star players, or coaches before the game or period break about the teams or special players. For all these things no motion capturing would be necessary, but would make some customers very happy. Does this realy take so much resources to add ? Everyone could switch it off if don't like.
Yeah, those intros were pretty cool. It would be good to get them back, but then we'd also be accused of just recycling something that was in the game before. I'm all for lengthy intros with all the stats and such as long as they can be skipped.
I totally get your passion for presentation and hopefully, we'll satisfy that down the road. With such a short time between games, the majority of the focus is going to be on gameplay. At least until that gets to a place where the community is happier. That doesn't mean presentation will go unchanged. Obviously, there are changes in NHL 24, but I get that they aren't the TV broadcast package many of you are wanting.
Maybe its me, but I feel like there is now less time between puck drops after a stoppage, and I am having a hard time completing on the fly strategy/pressure changes before the puck is dropped (compared to NHL 21 which has been my go to)....and I play center...so cant do both at once without more time...the longer presentation gave us a bigger window to set things up
Is there any reason why in the Reveal Trailer and some of the other deep dives it showed what I assumed to be 'new' overtime celebrations, but when I win in OT in franchise mode or playoff mode, it does the default one from NHL 23. Im wondering if this will be updated in a future patch or something that was shown for "entertainment purposes"?
Sadly, this is always going to be a losing battle for the offline player base. It has been said in these forums a lot is to do with a lower player count but if you really think about it, the player count is lower cause of the lack of Innovation, removal of prior feature (trade phone as an example), lack of interest fixing bugs and glitches and removal of presentation in franchise mode (goalie intros, goalie changed in game, they used to have the 3 stars skate on the ice as a cut scenes, players would come out from the walkway and bench and through those props you can still add in create a team, replays showing more, showed the crowd more). Plus the complete lack of any interest or care to BAP for anything about it (Innovation or bug fixes), a mode that used to be good in the older gen games. What they don't realize is that it is all cause and affect (you don't try hard enough we are not going to play or buy it year after year) but I'd guess that is the reasoning they want so they can focus solely on the online experience, which is sad cause if you think about it EA on a whole was built by the offline player base going back to the Super Nintendo days. Now a days it's not good enough to just buy the game, you need to "rent" cards for the year (using real world money), buy the new season pass and buy celebrations (again real world money) to actually matter as a player in the game. This is an EA design everywhere and the removal of content and adding back in will always be a tactic they use in their attempt to show that they improve on the game each year. It is not all bad cause some of the new features in this game are good in principle but lack the polish for them to be good (op hip check, stamina works differently for AI and user for pressure system). Other features like players indicating line changes seemingly doesn't seem to exist from NHL 23 in NHL 24, unless they are very rare now as I have played multiple games and it does not have the indication anymore, plus the players calling for the puck like in NHL 23 is another feature that seemingly seems to be gone as well. Going back to the presentation, this is already lost seeing that a game like FC 24 which easily makes more money then NHL has removed some of it's presentation with the reasoning "people just skip it anyways". With that EA mindset and the mention of lower player counts, we can only ever expect to see minimum to no changes or fixes at all for presentation or any offline modes.
Community ManagerFeatures aren't specifically removed just so they can be returned later as new. I know people like to throw this around as if it's fact, but it's really not. NHL 15 on Xbox One and PS4 was basically starting over. There were many years where features were added over time. With the new generation, at the time, NHL 15 was a barebones game. We've been returning old features, but also improving upon them. We can't take several years worth of updates and knock them all out in a single year. We're not going to remove a feature just so it can be marketed as new later. That really makes no sense. If a feature doesn't make the transition to later games, there's a reason for it. If it returns, again, there's a reason for it, but most definitely not just because we need to market the game as new. No matter how much changes, people are going to call it a copy and paste.
Community ManagerI was just saying it's a common complaint. Not one from you specifically.
Of course we're going to mention returning features when revealing the game. We're not saying they've never been in the game before. My point was that it seems people accuse us of removing features only so we can add them later and call them new. There is not an ounce of truth in that.
I chose that to respond to because I took the rest as feedback.
@EA_AljoI get that and in some ways it's not but for my side of it being true look at gameplay for NHL 14 where they have a full intro and light show with the team logo, plus showing the team coming from the hallway and bench, plus the announcer announcing them onto the ice (which does not happen in the new game intro plus it's longer too and includes goalie intros). Also national anthems were in prior games as well. This is what was used on your NHL 23 web page by the marketing team. "PRESENTATION
All-new celebration options let you celebrate every big moment, from the Stanley Cup trophy hoist to fresh post-goal light shows. On-ice projections for NHL teams, national teams, and more immerse you in the moment, even in offline modes". See how all of this is was listed using the words "All New". It's hard to not take this as them promoting as a new feature, correct? Even though I'd say it's loosely upgraded (the generic new openings are actually not improved from NHL 14 at all and offer less) Here is the link to the YouTube video highlighting the intro: https://youtu.be/ohGZ1PKuB7c?si=7B1gn8ZW6BYKnZBT
Community ManagerAll new meaning it's containing new presentation features. Obviously, that ended up changing with 23 due to technical issues.
@MasterB89And my meaning is that the skating and the standard game speed in NHL 14 also looks much better than in newer NHL titles. Only the better graphics in newer games are a plus. They made this overpowered to fast gameplay speed for online, otherwise it maybe would be to easy, but looking far from real and a bit funny. Will wait for NHL 25 and skip 24
Community ManagerThanks for all the feedback on this. Hopefully, we'll see improvements to the presentation in future games.
@MasterB89New team, same game. Business as usual since many years. The flagship from early days ist sinking.
1. The Jumbotron and the LED ring (the stupid speaker graphic that’s been in the game for 10 plus years) around the upper bowl both look like Nintendo graphics. Absolutely terrible looking! Way overdue for an update.
2. In the NHL, all back up goalies wear a ball cap on the bench.
3. How about introducing the starting goalies before the game?
4. How about giving us more than .5 of a second to select lines or even press the button to do a custom celly? This is EXTREMELY ANNOYING!!!
