Community ManagerHey, @75fd980e1b183900
You can do this by holding in RB/R1. This engages the Defensive Skill Stick. You can aim your poke that way. I use this all the time for exactly the same thing you're talking about. I'll cut off their passing lane and force them to try to get to a better position and open up that lane for a pass. You can also click down on the right stick when DSS is engaged and poke.
I believe the OP, like myself and many others, is irritated that you cannot position the hockey stick without starting with a risky/clumsy/directionally-assisted/speed-reducing poke check.
I have discovered that if you position the right stick before pressing and holding RB/R1, you can sweep the stick without activating the poke animation. However, because hitting is mapped to the right stick, you cannot position the right stick up or down before pressing and holding RB/R1. Therefore, when wanting your stick positioned in the up or down direction, you are forced to either start with an unwanted poke or to start with your stick in the wrong direction and sweep it (dangerously) into the spot you wanted it in the first place.
[Side note: a very little known control (due to the lack of instruction) is the R3 click poke check that can be done while holding RB/R1 to sweep.]
As I’ve suggested before:
Stick Checking would look like this:
I know you’ve already seen this Aljo, but for others reading this discussion, please check out my control layout suggestions where I take things even further with the use of Elite/Pro controllers (that have paddles):
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion-News/REAL-Total-Control-Not-Arcade/td-p/13161058
@EA_Aljo wrote:Hey, @75fd980e1b183900
You can do this by holding in RB/R1. This engages the Defensive Skill Stick. You can aim your poke that way. I use this all the time for exactly the same thing you're talking about. I'll cut off their passing lane and force them to try to get to a better position and open up that lane for a pass. You can also click down on the right stick when DSS is engaged and poke.
Except that you cannot - once you press the poke button, regardless if you hold it or not, the initial action is an automatic poke toward the puck, wherever that is, whether it is L R or in front of you.
As I said, even you hold the R stick to the right, your player will initially make an attempt on the puck even if you want it to go in a different direction.
The only possible way to avoid this is to hit the poke button way in advance, before anyone is near you. It the offender is within X ft of you, however, hitting poke will trigger an automatic "glue to the puck" action, and THEN and only THEN can you move the stick elsewhere.
@ssoliz91 wrote:I believe the OP, like myself and many others, is irritated that you cannot position the hockey stick without starting with a risky/clumsy/directionally-assisted/speed-reducing poke check.
I have discovered that if you position the right stick before pressing and holding RB/R1, you can sweep the stick without activating the poke animation. However, because hitting is mapped to the right stick, you cannot position the right stick up or down before pressing and holding RB/R1. Therefore, when wanting your stick positioned in the up or down direction, you are forced to either start with an unwanted poke or to start with your stick in the wrong direction and sweep it (dangerously) into the spot you wanted it in the first place.
Also, a very little known control (due to the lack of instruction) is the R3 click poke check that can be done while holding RB/R1 to sweep.As I’ve suggested before:
- Hitting should be removed from the Right Stick entirely (being that we aren’t given directional control of our hits with the Right Stick anyway, hits might as well just be a button)
- Right Stick alone should be two-handed, non-sweeping stick positioning in any direction
- Holding RB/R1 while using Right Stick should extend/one-handed/sweep your stick positioning.
- and Poke Checking should be just be R3 click
Stick Checking would look like this:
I know you’ve already seen this Aljo, but for others reading this discussion, please check out my control layout suggestions where I take things even further with the use of Elite/Pro controllers (that have paddles):
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion-News/REAL-Total-Control-Not-Arcade/td-p/13161058
Yes. You understand the issue. We should be able to fully control the direction of our stick on defense without having an automatic animation that pulls your stick toward the puck. Many times, we are not trying to touch the puck or poke it - just funnel the offender in front of us. We should not have to hit the button before they are within 5 ft of us in order to do so.
Agreed. If we were give better Stick Checking tools, Body Checking wouldn’t have to be so overpowered and arcade-like.
@75fd980e1b183900 wrote:Except that you cannot - once you press the poke button, regardless if you hold it or not, the initial action is an automatic poke toward the puck, wherever that is, whether it is L R or in front of you.
Not true.
Hitting RB and moving RS at the same time will move your stick the direction that RS is pointed. If you're seeing the poke check animation play out before you're able to move RS to where you want - you're not moving RS in fast enough succession after the holding of RB. It can be tricky to time it so you don't see the poke animation play out, but it's entirely possible.
I try to time my movement on RS to be almost exactly the same time as I hit RB - maybe SLIGHTLY after. If I screw up the timing, I leave myself flat footed - but that's the risk/reward that comes with mastering a useful tool like DSS.
It's another one of those skills on defense that most users flat-out refuse to acknowledge and demand it be changed.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@75fd980e1b183900 wrote:Except that you cannot - once you press the poke button, regardless if you hold it or not, the initial action is an automatic poke toward the puck, wherever that is, whether it is L R or in front of you.
Not true.
Hitting RB and moving RS at the same time will move your stick the direction that RS is pointed. If you're seeing the poke check animation play out before you're able to move RS to where you want - you're not moving RS in fast enough succession after the holding of RB. It can be tricky to time it so you don't see the poke animation play out, but it's entirely possible.
I try to time my movement on RS to be almost exactly the same time as I hit RB - maybe SLIGHTLY after. If I screw up the timing, I leave myself flat footed - but that's the risk/reward that comes with mastering a useful tool like DSS.
It's another one of those skills on defense that most users flat-out refuse to acknowledge and demand it be changed.
Refer to my longer post earlier within this discussion: I tried to spell out clearly why this needs to be adjusted and how it can be improved.
It’s a skill on defense that cannot be acknowledge by many users due to a lack of control instruction/manual or tutorial.
It’s a skill on defense that users demand change because it is heavily encumbered (even when all aspects of the DSS are acknowledged and mastered).
@ssoliz91 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@75fd980e1b183900 wrote:Except that you cannot - once you press the poke button, regardless if you hold it or not, the initial action is an automatic poke toward the puck, wherever that is, whether it is L R or in front of you.
Not true.
Hitting RB and moving RS at the same time will move your stick the direction that RS is pointed. If you're seeing the poke check animation play out before you're able to move RS to where you want - you're not moving RS in fast enough succession after the holding of RB. It can be tricky to time it so you don't see the poke animation play out, but it's entirely possible.
I try to time my movement on RS to be almost exactly the same time as I hit RB - maybe SLIGHTLY after. If I screw up the timing, I leave myself flat footed - but that's the risk/reward that comes with mastering a useful tool like DSS.
It's another one of those skills on defense that most users flat-out refuse to acknowledge and demand it be changed.
Refer to my longer post earlier within this discussion: I tried to spell out clearly why this needs to be adjusted and how it can be improved.
It’s a skill on defense that cannot be acknowledge by many users due to a lack of control instruction/manual or tutorial.
It’s a skill on defense that users demand change because it is heavily encumbered (even when all aspects of the DSS are acknowledged and mastered).
It's not though. It's an effective game mechanic that needs some time to understand. Once it's grasped and practiced, it becomes second nature and works really well.
It’s effective game mechanic except for the issues I spelled out in my longer post. Issues you have flagrantly ignored in your replies.
Community Manager
@ssoliz91 wrote:
It’s effective game mechanic except for the issues I spelled out in my longer post. Issues you have flagrantly ignored in your replies.
Thank you for the feedback on DSS/poke checking controls. I get you were talking to Kid, but wanted you to know you weren't being ignored.
@ssoliz91 wrote:It’s effective game mechanic except for the issues I spelled out in my longer post. Issues you have flagrantly ignored in your replies.
I didn't ignore you. I said you were incorrect. And you don't agree. I get it bro.
Scratch that, I actually agreed with you in another thread. Some work could be done to DSS to make it more fluid.
I don’t mind disagreement, but I’m looking for actual reasoning in your replies as to
1.) Where these mechanics/controls are taught in the game.
2.) How the issues I’ve presented in this quote are not encumbrances on the controls:
“If you position the right stick beforepressing and holding RB/R1, you can sweep the stick without activating the poke animation. However, because hitting is mapped to the right stick, you cannot position the right stick up or down before pressing and holding RB/R1. Therefore, when wanting your stick positioned in the up or down direction, you are forced to either start with an unwanted poke or to start with your stick in the wrong direction and sweep it (dangerously) into the spot you wanted it in the first place.”
So far your argument has been along the lines of “Everything’s fine, just get used to it.” Meanwhile, myself and others are pointing out real flaws any suggesting different ways to fix them.
I don’t understand why you feel like you need to put up a fight on behalf of EA. They already have moderators who are taking in the chin from the community on a regular basis
I just saw you’ve edited your post before I could reply.
It’s much appreciated, and I’m glad to see that you believe there is room for improvement (as that is my only point here).
I know I’m not being ignored by you. You and your team have done a good job of addressing our concerns and even adjusting the game in response.
The defensive skill stick is just one of those issues that stand out the most to me and I can’t wait to see some improvement.
Community Manager
I know I’m not being ignored by you. You and your team have done a good job of addressing our concerns and even adjusting the game in response.
The defensive skill stick is just one of those issues that stand out the most to me and I can’t wait to see some improvement.
Thanks. Appreciate hearing this. I too would love to see DSS improved and I like your ideas. Being able to control extending/retracting the stick would be good to have.
@ssoliz91 wrote:I don’t mind disagreement, but I’m looking for actual reasoning in your replies as to
1.) Where these mechanics/controls are taught in the game.
2.) How the issues I’ve presented in this quote are not encumbrances on the controls:
“If you position the right stick beforepressing and holding RB/R1, you can sweep the stick without activating the poke animation. However, because hitting is mapped to the right stick, you cannot position the right stick up or down before pressing and holding RB/R1. Therefore, when wanting your stick positioned in the up or down direction, you are forced to either start with an unwanted poke or to start with your stick in the wrong direction and sweep it (dangerously) into the spot you wanted it in the first place.”
So far your argument has been along the lines of “Everything’s fine, just get used to it.” Meanwhile, myself and others are pointing out real flaws any suggesting different ways to fix them.
I don’t understand why you feel like you need to put up a fight on behalf of EA. They already have moderators who are taking in the chin from the community on a regular basisI just saw you’ve edited your post before I could reply.
It’s much appreciated, and I’m glad to see that you believe there is room for improvement (as that is my only point here).
I know I’m not being ignored by you. You and your team have done a good job of addressing our concerns and even adjusting the game in response.
The defensive skill stick is just one of those issues that stand out the most to me and I can’t wait to see some improvement.
haha yea I think we were both just saying the same thing but in different ways 😛
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@75fd980e1b183900 wrote:Except that you cannot - once you press the poke button, regardless if you hold it or not, the initial action is an automatic poke toward the puck, wherever that is, whether it is L R or in front of you.
You're not moving RS in fast enough succession after the holding of RB. It can be tricky to time it so you don't see the poke animation play out, but it's entirely possible.
I've used the poke animation and R stick thousands of times now and I've not once been able to extend the stick without first triggering the poke animation , which automatically makes an attempt on the puck.
I have hit them both at the same time or slightly before and after each other, it will not work for me. For the record, I am not talking about when the opponent is far away and you have time to prepare - I'm talking about if they are directly in front of you. It will not let me move it without first poking at him.
@75fd980e1b183900 wrote:I've used the poke animation and R stick thousands of times now and I've not once been able to extend the stick without first triggering the poke animation , which automatically makes an attempt on the puck.
@75fd980e1b183900 wrote: I'm talking about if they are directly in front of you. It will not let me move it without first poking at him.
If the puck carrier is directly in front of you ie; within arm's reach, then you shouldn't be considering DSS as a defensive option anyway as a shove/body check would be far more sufficient. In either case, initiating DSS the way I've demonstrated above will still work - but the close proximity of the puck carrier in your scenario would result in a higher risk for penalty and or being caught flat footed.
It’s a simple question, really:
Why did so many more people play and enjoy NHL 12 than NHL 24?
I really don't get why people are so mad at playing defense. As long as you play DEFENSE and not Offensive Defense, the poke check, block shots and stopping the cross crease are not that hard. The Michigan, while I am pissed off that they made that and other dekes one button does suck but it is defendable, I just wish they didn't make it that easy so that you should have skill to use such a move. Positioning is key this year and the stick lifts you just have to hold the button and not tap it. If you hold it I have an extremely high rate of success.
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@DominateNHL wrote:It’s a simple question, really:
Why did so many more people play and enjoy NHL 12 than NHL 24?
There was less defensive responsibility across all modes.
Almost zero wait times when looking for a game in EASHL because HUT hadn’t yet captured the number of players it does now.
Gambling modes are super addictive and have watered down the matchmaking pool in world of chel
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@DominateNHL wrote:It’s a simple question, really:
Why did so many more people play and enjoy NHL 12 than NHL 24?
There was less defensive responsibility across all modes.
Almost zero wait times when looking for a game in EASHL because HUT hadn’t yet captured the number of players it does now.
Gambling modes are super addictive and have watered down the matchmaking pool in world of chel
HIGHLY disagree about the defensive responsibility part. Defense was MUCH more fun to play back then.
The games aren’t empty because everyone is off playing HUT. They are empty because everyone is off playing other games.
The reason so many more people played NHL back then was because it was:
- Controls were much more responsive and fluid
- Much better balanced (because controls were responsive and fluid)
- Less waiting times in lobby (more people were playing)
- More people playing, because the game was a lot more fun (because controls were responsive and fluid)
Why is Rocket League STILL so popular? Very responsive controls and fluid gameplay, and the ability to go from your dashboard to into an actual game in less than 30 seconds.
WAY more people played back in NHL 11-12 because of these same reasons.
Let’s get back to what worked. This isn’t it.
@DominateNHLThere was less defensive responsibility across all modes.
Almost zero wait times when looking for a game in EASHL because HUT hadn’t yet captured the number of players it does now.
Gambling modes are super addictive and have watered down the matchmaking pool in world of chel
Defense was MUCH more fun to play back then.
Like I said - because of less responsibility.
Rocket League is popular because it’s basic af
Comparing a complex hockey game with thousands of animations, hundreds of controls, speed/agility/balance attributes and required dexterity to become proficient with the skill stick to a game where you need to drive a car into a ball is just…. Odd
The online population is just as it was in NHL12, probably more. But it’s spread out over HUT and the other modes within WoC.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@75fd980e1b183900 wrote:I've used the poke animation and R stick thousands of times now and I've not once been able to extend the stick without first triggering the poke animation , which automatically makes an attempt on the puck.
@75fd980e1b183900 wrote: I'm talking about if they are directly in front of you. It will not let me move it without first poking at him.If the puck carrier is directly in front of you ie; within arm's reach, then you shouldn't be considering DSS as a defensive option anyway as a shove/body check would be far more sufficient. In either case, initiating DSS the way I've demonstrated above will still work - but the close proximity of the puck carrier in your scenario would result in a higher risk for penalty and or being caught flat footed.
It bothers me how passive you have to play defensively to get these clips. You kind of just give them tons of space and use dss to take away ice, there is no puck pursuit, and you allow uncontested zone entries on a couple of them. It would be great to see what happens on the rest of the plays. I would love to see you post a whole game and the skill rating of your opponent.
And the puck stopping still after you make contact with it on the last gif is bad, and lets the puck carrier instantly pick the puck back up. It should have gone towards the corner. It seems like no loose pucks is a desired feature of the game, it's bad and too in control.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@DominateNHLThere was less defensive responsibility across all modes.
Almost zero wait times when looking for a game in EASHL because HUT hadn’t yet captured the number of players it does now.
Gambling modes are super addictive and have watered down the matchmaking pool in world of chel
Defense was MUCH more fun to play back then.
Like I said - because of less responsibility.
Rocket League is popular because it’s basic af
Comparing a complex hockey game with thousands of animations, hundreds of controls, speed/agility/balance attributes and required dexterity to become proficient with the skill stick to a game where you need to drive a car into a ball is just…. Odd
The online population is just as it was in NHL12, probably more. But it’s spread out over HUT and the other modes within WoC.
It’s funny how you equate more control of your player to less responsibilty 😂
And yes, Rocket League is more popular because it doesn’t try to do too much. It gives the players fluid control and command, which in turn creates dynamic and organic gameplay and moments. It’s funny to me that you see that as a bad thing lol. NHL really needs to take notes as to why a game that is “basic af” is blowing the doors off their game.
You guys don’t learn, and refuse to acknowledge this series’ shortcomings and why it went from perennial sports game of the year, to a laughing stock of the sports community in just 10 years.
But you do you, bros. 😉
