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and yet somehow only hockey is not, while it is the only non-exclusively-american one here
I'd like to see the numbers very much
Golf is a huge sport played worldwide. I imagine it also attracts a bit of an older crowd that doesn't necessarily own a game console.
American football, while possibly not as global as hockey, has an insane following in the US. The Super Bowl is practically a holiday.
Regardless of these, when looking at the overall market for interest in a PC version of a sim-style hockey game, if that interest was there, chances are excellent we'd see this and invest in it. I get that you all think because we're EA we can do this. Sure, I imagine we can make that happen, but is it really the best investment when it comes at a loss? You all like to tell us how money focused we are. If we weren't going to take a loss, don't you think we'd have a PC version? If the PC hockey market were as robust as everyone here is theorizing, wouldn't another company be doing it? EA isn't the only developer capable of making a sim-style PC hockey game. Why is nobody else doing this? Most likely because developing an authentic hockey game isn't as easy as everyone thinks.
- MlecznyDuet2 years agoSeasoned Veteran@EA_Aljo Somehow NHL used to show up every season on PC but Peter Moore once said "no more pc because piracy" (lol) and here we are.
I wonder - was the market bigger back then than it is now? Was hockey a bigger sport back then? Not to mention the distribution model changed from DRM-free discs to exclusively digital, which only works in favor of the publisher. But ok. Not enough money. Again, I'm extremely curious to see the numbers and what huge companies consider "worth" or not.- EA_Aljo2 years agoCommunity Manager
I don't have those numbers. I'm not involved in that research. As far as piracy goes, things have changed a lot since then. Also, I don't know that hockey had a bigger market then, but games were also less costly to produce. Games weren't quite as complicated and online play has grown tremendously since then. Which also has a lot higher cost to support. Again, it's not an issue of not having enough money. It's an issue of investing that money with not getting that investment back.
- younever_know82 years agoSeasoned Hotshot
With all due respect, given the EA NHL 23 forums most trending topic is the NHL PC thread, every EA social channel is flooded with messages asking for a PC port, and the EA NHL subreddit has daily posts asking when the PC version will come, I just don't understand how there isn't a perceived demand.
In every single place I see EA NHL being discussed, people are asking for a PC port.
Also - it's pretty easy to clarify some of the numbers for EA Sports games on PC, just reference steamcharts. Right now FIFA has 48,561 concurrent players. That is A LOT, that is within the top 30 most played games on Steam. Conversely, EA Sports PGA Tour only has 243 concurrent players. That is pretty low. Still, EA Sports saw value in bringing that game to the platform.
I have a hard time imagining NHL would draw lower numbers than that.
Here is a post from the NHL Reveal on r /hockey, the BIGGEST hockey subreddit. As you can see, the upvotes asking for a PC version of the game are LARGER than the post itself.
Here is a collection of comments on EA's official release video for NHL 2024
Anyway, this pattern is evident if you look anywhere. Twitter, Facebook, here, reddit, doesn't matter, people are asking for a PC port.
- KidShowtime18672 years agoHero
I don't think anyone at EA is telling you guys that you're mistaken about the interest in a PC version.
What they're trying to tell you is that interest doesn't rise to the level of EA wanting to invest into a PC version.
- EA_Aljo2 years agoCommunity Manager
If NHL did FIFA numbers, there would be a PC version. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Yes, I agree it's a popular request, but when you compare how popular the console version of NHL is to FIFA or Madden, there's a huge difference. People regularly comment here about how this game doesn't sell like those 2. Putting out a PC version isn't going to suddenly change that. I'm not denying that there are a lot of PC players, but they would still be a far smaller number than console players. There is a demand, but it also comes at a huge cost and chances aren't good that demand is going to offset the cost of building and supporting a PC version.
Everyone assumes a PC version would sell amazingly well. Why is it that game developers aren't seeing this? Most likely because they've done the research and feel it's not worth the investment of development and support resources. That and hockey on consoles is traditionally not one of the bigger selling titles each year. Hockey also not having the popularity of bigger sports is probably a part of that.We hadn't released a PGA version in a few years so they could build the game to support PC from the beginning. We really can't sacrifice the console version of NHL to port it to PC. Putting the console game on hold while a less popular PC version is built would not be a wise decision.
- MlecznyDuet2 years agoSeasoned Veterannah, I can't believe porting a game to PC is such a huge deal. I bet (no numbers available so I can only bet) they would get a ROI from sales alone but there's no player base big enough willing to spend money on dead multiplayer modes (which fuel FIFA/FC and Madden and are anything but dead there).
Easy money from microtx must be the key difference.
- 2 years ago@youneverknow8 This whole thread is too funny, you all could have played NHL on PS4 10 years ago...and now you all gonna whine for the whole new generation AGAIN 🙂) just bite the bullet, swallow your pride an buy the damn console lol
- 2 years ago
quoted from this thread by an ea mod. this forum sucks balls by the way, why cant i just click reply and it does this part for me.
"Golf is a huge sport played worldwide. I imagine it also attracts a bit of an older crowd that doesn't necessarily own a game console.
American football, while possibly not as global as hockey, has an insane following in the US. The Super Bowl is practically a holiday.
Regardless of these, when looking at the overall market for interest in a PC version of a sim-style hockey game, if that interest was there, chances are excellent we'd see this and invest in it. I get that you all think because we're EA we can do this. Sure, I imagine we can make that happen, but is it really the best investment when it comes at a loss? You all like to tell us how money focused we are. If we weren't going to take a loss, don't you think we'd have a PC version? If the PC hockey market were as robust as everyone here is theorizing, wouldn't another company be doing it? EA isn't the only developer capable of making a sim-style PC hockey game. Why is nobody else doing this? Most likely because developing an authentic hockey game isn't as easy as everyone thinks."end quote from some ea mod that doesnt really care about the community growth.
here is why there is noone else making it.
As of April 2021, Electronic Arts' largest acquisition is the purchase of Glu Mobile, for $2.4 billion. Of the 39 companies acquired by EA, 20 are based in the U.S., five in the United Kingdom, six in Continental Europe, and eight elsewhere. The majority of these companies and studios are now defunct, with some having been merged into other entities. Of the six companies which EA purchased a stake in, two remaining companies are based in the U.S., while three other U.S. companies are defunct. After acquiring a 19.9% stake in France-based Ubisoft in 2004, EA sold a remaining 14.8% stake in it in 2010.[10][11]
Each acquisition listed is for the entire company, unless otherwise noted. The acquisition date listed is the date of the agreement between Electronic Arts (EA) and the subject of the acquisition. Unless otherwise noted, the value of each acquisition is listed in U.S. dollars, because EA is headquartered in the U.S. If the value of the acquisition is not listed, then it is undisclosed. If the EA service that is derived from the acquired company is known, then it is also listed. According to data from Pitch Book via VentureBeat, the company has spent about $2.9 Billion on its 10 biggest acquisitions since 1992
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Electronic_Arts
there isnt much competition for ea because they bought 39 developers in the past 20-30 years. so dont feed us the crap about if it is profitable why isnt someone else doing it. your company bought alot of the competition, so it wouldnt have to go up against stiffer competition which would result in more developmental time and less profits. - 2 years ago
You Know what's really sad... it's the EA NHL Hockey (1991) is pretty much the game that started the whole EA Sports franchise (along with John Madden Football). That it gets so little respect despite being one of the grandfathers of EA Sports titles is a bloody shame.
The fans were there all along and the base would buy it up in a heartbeat ***IF*** the product wasn't recycled garbage. Back when the game was fun and innovative (and not this monetized UT gambling circus) this game sold like hotcakes.
It should also be moot. Since the game runs on Frostbite, porting should be a no brainer.
I sure miss the days when Electronic Arts made games for the masses, not just for the 'whales' and the shareholders. But that's the difference between Electronic Arts and EA. One was about passion and one is a bottom line corp. Never say a game is too costly to make or maintain... not when you're raking it in on the FIFA zombies.
/apologies for my tone, disgruntled since NHL 2001.
- EA_Aljo2 years agoCommunity Manager
I don't even know how many dozens of times I've said this, but once again, it's not about the cost of porting the game. That's not the issue. There is a far higher amount of work that goes in to this and that would not be recuperated with a PC release. If PC hockey were as profitable as everyone seems to think, it would have been done by now. Why is it that nobody is making an authentic NHL game for PC? Is EA the only company that has researched this? Look, I get it, there's a very loyal group of PC fans that want this type of game, but it's a far bigger project and investment than people think and it's not going to have the return to make it put development of the console version on hold. We don't hold any exclusivity on the NHL license or hockey in general. Any company is able to acquire the licensing rights or just make their own authentic hockey game for PC, but so far, that hasn't been done.
FIFA and Madden have a big enough audience to support a PC release. Those audiences are way larger than NHL. Which is also in line with the popularity of those sports in general. So, is it about money? Yes. It simply is a very large undertaking with little return. It just doesn't make sense to do this as well as stop production of the console version which would end up causing a loss. This also means less money would get put in to future versions of the game based on poor sales for the PC version due to taking a year or 2 off to make it. Again, porting it to PC is probably the easier part. There's just so much more involved behind the scenes. We can't just copy and past the game to PCs and call it a day.
- Margera092 years agoRising Veteran
The pc years from ‘99 - 2009 are over, times changed and so are the innovations. It‘s unfortunate but it is what it is.