Well I couldn't have asked for a better response than that right there I was very well said You seem to have a lot of knowledge around it I just know that 2K hockey is playability it was the **bleep** and it was 15 years ago last when I played I wish they'd get I wish they'd get back in it but I understand why they probably don't so is basketball the only sports game 2K is making except for the soccer game you mentioned it's going to be coming out? They did I remember they did a football and it was awesome too and it got squashed right away like I'm sure EA bought it That's where it went but it wasn't around very long because they did not want that competing with Madden and Madden is the **bleep** Don't get me wrong we all know that but that football game 2K came out with was right there with it in my opinion they just get playability and stuff a lot better it seems like but anyway thanks again for your answer we should all somehow not try to pressure but try to convince 2K that they need to get back in it they could get by the sounds of the people in this forum 75% at least of all of us they could get the money that's available for people who buy hockey because this isn't very good and I won't buy another one I know that