Scoring
Backhand, forehand, backhand, goal. I feel trying to make good plays and set up 1T shots, or anything else just seems far less effective than just backhanding for every goal.. it's sad that it can ev...
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Backhand, forehand, backhand, goal. I feel trying to make good plays and set up 1T shots, or anything else just seems far less effective than just backhanding for every goal..
The reason this goal works is because the defending team has completely collapsed and allowed a player to get in-close and one-on-one with the goalie. If you're allowing this to happen often or if you're getting this chance often, it means the defending team (in both cases) needs to adjust.
we either need some type of dynamic goalie behavior patterns or some type of club created thresholds so that your goalie will behave differently than other goalies and scoring can become diversified a bit more.
Scoring can only be diversified if players take diverse chances. 99% of the players in this game keep trying the same goals over and over - not because they find success with them (although obviously that's one incentive) but because most people aren't creative enough to try anything else.
Ideally I'd play with/ against human goalies but not many want to play goalie, esp for any long stretch of time.
Just because you and the people you play with don't enjoy goalie doesn't mean there aren't literally thousands of players out there who ONLY play goalie and have fun with it. It takes time and patience to master the role.
We will be 2 v 0 and instead of using a 1T we pull off and let the other get the backhand goal because it's almost 100% where as even a seemingly perfect 1T chance you risk a crazy acrobatic save or your guy messing up the shot.
Again - you're describing a scenario where a goalie is all alone against 2 offensive opponents and you're complaining that making a quick maneuver in-close has a high percentage chance of being a goal. I don't see the issue here.
It would be terrible to program logic into the game so that just because someone has scored a goal or two the same way previously in the game, the goalie should auto-save future attempts. That is introducing linear goal scoring logic which would be the death nail of this franchise.
I actually think the goalie plays better in threes eliminator.
strongly disagree.
I mean I'm using the constant backhand spam too because I feel I have no choice if I want to win but man does it limit any creativity..
You're limiting yourself though. Having a win-at-all-costs mentality where you have developed the belief you can only try one goal because it's so successful for you is not the game "limiting your creativity". There are other ways to score.
That's like saying the drink machine forces you to buy Coke because it's choice #1 and saying it won't let you buy Pepsi just because it's choice #2.
"The reason this goal works is because the defending team has completely collapsed"
Sure.. you can always blame the defense, thats easy to do in any game.. it doesnt mean its not a goalie issue as well.. we dont see goalies play this poorly in the NHL and thats the problem I'm getting at. Poor argument imo.
"99% of the players in this game keep trying the same goals over and over - not because they find success with them"
No, it's because it's successful. Not many were spamming D2D 1T in older games in HUT, now they do. Not many were looking for backhand over 1T when 1T had higher success. Not many went backhand over forehand when that had success. When the short side wrister worked people used that. It's because of the success.. there's no way you're arguing in good faith at this point. People use what has high % to score. Being creative is not winning games at the highest rate. Sure it's more fun but people use the same things that get them wins. You're just being untruthful here.
"Literally thousands"
🤣 do you understand what "Literally means" *looks up monthly top 100 goalies" 33 games played for #100* *looks up centers and sorts top 100 by games played, 90* I mean... lets try to be fair here. You've suggested you can be critical of the game.. try to show SOME truth in that statement.
"Strongly disagree"
I mean nhl stats are viewable to the public bud. Out of curiosity I looked it up. Looking at the last day/ week of 3s and threes respectively to get a fair comparison shooting % for 3's is averaged out to 35.27 for top 10 weekly 3's and 27.67 for threes. That's the lowest amount of time I could search for either to adjust for updates. So disagree but everyone I've played with between the modes has a similar experience. Threes goalies are somewhat better at stopping a backhand and make better acrobatic saves vs 1T. It's not by a ton but when EASHL goalies are having worse numbers that's not a good look. If I'm being fair, I understand some numbers could be inflated by human goalies playing poorly. However, everyone I know vs cpu goalies have pretty consistently performed better vs 3's CPU than threes. They are more likely to use desperation saves.
Your coke and Pepsi thought.. just threw logic out the window 🤣 it only works if coke gives you far more energy (if that's what you're looking for) than pepsi. Sure I could get the Pepsi and get less energy for the same price because I like the taste (i dont drink any pop) but I'd rather reach out to Pepsi and ask them to add more caffeine to the pepsi. That's what I'm doing here. It would also be dependant on the fact that pepsi was deliberately lowering their caffeine despite the outcries for more. I'm not sure if you watch any NHL but if 2 players had a 2 on 0 you would never see 1 pull off because going 1v0 on goalie was better.. you just entirely missed every point I made, seemingly on purpose. However, you've shown to do this plenty of times. I strongly suggest a logic course.
I guess I'm here to ask for better goalies. I understand your job is to defend the title to no end. I just want a better product. The game has potential it's just lacking some things. I can praise the games for what it does well but you're allowed to be critical and offer suggestions for improvements.
I understand your job is to defend the title to no end.
there's no way you're arguing in good faith at this point.
You're just being untruthful here.
Please stop attacking me. I have said nothing untruthful and I always discuss things in good faith. The constant personal attacks from you is why engaging in your topics is always so grating. You dont' want to 'discuss' anything. You just want to bash aspects of the game that you aren't particularly skillful at and I will always rail against that because the dumbing down of this game in favor of players who need instant gratification will ruin core gameplay. I'll always fight against a linear approach to such a dynamic sport.
we wouldn't see near 100% breakaways. They could be high for players who had fast twitch reaction speeds but lower for players just memorizing button patterns and timeliness.
So you want the game to adjust the percentage of the chance of scoring based on the 'twitch' reaction of the puck carrier or whether or not they're still 'memorising button patterns and timeliness". Plus you want the goalies to stop any goal that was scored previously in game. On top of that, you want teams to be able to pick their goalie thresholds for saves. All of this leads to mundane, linear scoring that's based on rock-paper-scissors rather than dynamically setting up plays.
The dumbing down of the game like this would be atrocious.
All you do is strawman EVERY argument in these forums and pretend you're not then say people are attacking you lmao! It's insane! When did I say I wasn't skillful? Strawman. When did I ask for dumbing down? Strawman.
If your read, I think I made it fairly clear that I'd like the game to prioritize a player reacting to the goalie than button patterns.. I never said they need to stop every goal scored in previous games. Strawman.
"All of this leads to mundane, linear scoring that's based on rock-paper-scissors"
Yes, it would be FAR better to have a better system in place but the devs have never shown to be able to do many things correctly. Currently we have only "paper" so yes, having a goalie have multiple looks it would diversify gameplay. Saying you want dynamic gameplay but being against diversifying goalie play just makes 0 sense. You're arguing for BFB goals. Braindead gameplay. I can score these. It takes 0 skill. At least if goalies were made to be different I would likely not score on nearly every breakaway.
Let's recap this discussion so we're clear because you said I don't like to discuss (when the previous reply to someone else was "literally" (see how I used that word) me explaining how a system could work to diversify gameplay and lead to more "creative" plays.
>I suggest fixes to goalies
>you tell me the human defenders are bad and human forwards shouldnt use the same ways to score. You tell me that scoring "can" only be diversified if players score differently. You also suggested that I said if someone scores twice the same way the goalie will make a save and it will cause linear play and be the death of the game (bit of a slippery slope for an already sinking game, also I never even said this. Again, you've created a strawman at best or just falsely put words in my mouth at worse. Again, arguing in bad faith, I'm not attacking you on this I'm trying to clearly convey how you're arguing in bad faith)
>I agree that sometimes defenders make mistakes and tell you that competitive players are always going to use the highest percentage scoring chances if goalies are predictable/ not balanced (ie scoring "WILL" only be diversified if goalies are diversified.) I remind you that this discussion is only about goalies. Not forwards, not defenders, not even humans. I give stats to back up my claims and refute those that you made.
>you tell me I'm attacking you and i must be bad at the game.
there are so many logical fallacies that I'm not going to begin to list them. I attack you because you do not EVER agrue in good faith. I'm not sure if its purposeful or not. Lets talk JUST goalies.
Look I'm happy to discuss this with anyone but you are extremely toxic. You don't know how to discuss anything with anyone on here. What is your solution for making cpu goalies better, or do you truly believe they are in a good place? If you think 50% shooting is okay, then fine. That can be your reply to my suggestion. Blaming humans when the post is about cpu goalies is just not arguing in good faith.
I want games to feel different nearly every post I make suggests this. Unlike you ALWAYS defending the game, I don't ALWAYS attack the game like you seem to beleive. Look at my latest posts. I just praised the game for the silly bobblehead mode. It was a silly mode but it was fun because it was different and fresh. I suggested ways to improve on it. I've praised nearly everything the game has done to create change... except one's mode. I've not played that since it came out. With each and every one of these modes I've created a topic detailing ways to improve on them. I'm able to see shortcomings in things and praise the things that are good. If you think this game is 100% perfect that's cool. If not, you're allowed to discuss where the game could improve. You can blame poor development where warranted. You can praise development when warranted. Loading into WoC is faster (praising) the store, switching between modes, customization, clubs uniforms still resetting (blame on poor development) you don't have to find a reason to cover for this (unless you're actively working for EA and this IS your job)
Lemme attempt your type of reply:
Please stop attacking me and my experience and skill. Constantly calling me and other players bad at the game is hurting our feelings and I'll look to report! You just want to bash any player who has any issue with this game.
You're telling me you want them to throw rock every time because you're not good enough at the game to adapt on the fly? You want the game dumbed down so you can continue to abuse the game? Why not just get more creative and try different ways to score throughout the game. Sounds like a skill issue. If you think goalies should just stay in one place or move out of the way of the puck it will be the death of this game!
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If you want to discuss goalie then let's do that. Anything else is off topic. Try to stay on topic. If you think goalies are fine the way they are then you can simply say that and that's it. If you don't think so but have a better idea, then suggest that. If you don't like my idea but think something could still be done then say what's wrong with my idea. That's how healthy discussion happens. I just can't think of any reason that goalies playing different is something someone would be so upset about, do you like people scoring the same goals or not? How can it be a good thing for them to be this way (genuinely asking to create discourse) I can think of 1 reason to defend this, however I tend to feel it makes the game worse overall.
