Deception

The odds are per pack not per card.  So 84+, 100% means you will get at least one card that is 84 or higher in the pack not that every card is at least 84.

Black. I am aware of the odds being on the pack. My point was. They make it look like the minimum valued card is 84. If cards other than those stated are in the pack. Be transparent and say so. Simple mention of cards of lower rating may be included. Non deceptive.

Have you read the text above those probabilities? It literally says "Minimum probability of getting ONE or more players of the overall range or described category in this pack". I'm not sure how you think it looks like every card in the pack is 84+ or what they should say so that it wouldn't look like that.

Your not getting my drift. I have no problem with the odds translation. My premise was on the lack of identifying cards other than those mentioned in the breakdown. Does it give an odds for a 78 card. No! It doesn't identify the pack may contain cards other than those that are highlighted. Putting in an additional odds below 84, would at least justify the actual garbage that it contains. 

It is stated very clearly that the pack contains at least ONE 84+ overall card. How does this imply that ALL cards in the pack are 84+ overall? I really don't understand what makes you think that way. One card in the pack is guaranteed to be 84+ overall, and the other cards don't have a guaranteed overall so they can be lower overall. And the odds for a 78+ overall card would be 100% so it wouldn't give any additional information. It is pretty clear that the pack is likely to contain lower than 84 overall cards even though the lower overalls aren't mentioned in the probabilities.

My point is. I have no delusions as to your trying to indicate than an 84+ card at 100%, guarantees you at least 1. That has nothing to do with what I said. They put percentages up for the 80 and above cards. Why is there not inclusivity of putting up one for cards that are below the ones mentioned. Why my quip was Deceptive. They do not say what you can expect in the pack, but according to your answer, we are to ASSUME, that there will be lower cards. Again no problem with it. But at least identify that this pack may contain cards other than those described. That would not make it not DECEPTIVE! My contention in making this statement is. It does not accurately reflect the Possible full content of the pack. If you take it for its worth, the way it is written. 84+ being the lowest card mentioned. Then by that description alone, one would have to assume that the lowest card in the pack is an 84. We all know that is not the case. But by not identifying anything other than that 80 card. They are being Deceptive. When purchasing anything, I'm sure one would want to know EXACTLY, what they are, or may be getting. Like I said. Reconstruct the odds board to mention, pack may contain cards other than those described. That leaves out you having to assume, which you should not have to. And it now becomes clarified, and not DECEPTIVE 

So are you trying to point out that we have no information about the other cards in the pack besides the one guaranteed 84+ overall card? If so, then I think I'm starting to understand your point. But I still don't think it's deceptive.

You are still saying that it looks like ALL cards in the pack are 84+ overall even though it says that it only guarantees ONE 84+ overall card and you claim to understand that. I still don't understand why you think it looks like that.

The thing is that there is no minimum overall for the other cards, which means that those cards can be any overall from 60 to whatever the highest overall is at the time of opening the pack. That is the information we have.

When there is a minimum overall that applies to all cards in the pack, it is usually mentioned in the name and/or description of the pack. And that's how I think it should be. For example "4x 79+ OVR players pack".

And no, it's not just an assumption that the pack contains lower overall cards. It is almost guaranteed. Based on the information we have, it is theoretically possible that all cards in the pack are 84+ overall if you get incredibly lucky, but it is almost guaranteed to contain lower overall cards besides the one guaranteed 84+ overall card.

Maybe they could be a bit more informative with some packs. For example when they advertise a pack with a "higher chance" to get a specific type of card, they could tell us what that "higher chance" actually means. But as I said, I still don't think they are deceptive with the probabilities and pack descriptions.

Take your most recent comment. You cite packs that state 4 79+ cards as an example. That declaration is absolute. You are getting nothing less than 4 79+ cards. The deception comes into play, when you don't identify the possibilities beyond the described cards. This has nothing to do with how many 80+ 90, or whatever cards are in the pack. Its taking a notification on probabilities of attaining cards that have been identified, and leaving out the possibility that cards below those described may be contained. A 100% draw just means that you are guaranteed at least 1 84+ card. Thats a given. Where is the notification of odds pertaining to cards of lesser value. There isn't any.  So the way it is described, is deceptive in not being transparent to the possibilities of cards below 84+. All I said should be done on any pack. Is to declare, this pack may contain cards of lesser ratings than those hilighted. If you have a better or more intuned word to describe what I have proclaimed. I am open to acceptance. 

It says that one card is guaranteed to be 84+ overall. That means the other cards are not guaranteed to be 84+ overall. And that means the other cards may be lower than 84 overall. I don't know how this is unclear to you. I think EA is making it pretty clear that the pack may contain lower than 84 overall cards even though they don't actually say it. I'm not against the idea of mentioning it somewhere, but I don't think it is necessary, and I don't think EA is making it deceptive by not mentioning it.

Bud. Just forget this text. You are not seeing my point. So no sense pursuing what you perceive to be all about percentages and assumptions. I think I stated my case as best I can. It has nothing to do with percentages. How many cards are in a pack, whatever. It only had to do, with the given facts stated. Nothing added on stating cards of lower value may be included. You have accepted the assumption premise because of opening packs and seeing first hand that there are cards below the 84. However. If you had never opened a pack before looking at the pack in question. What would you assert to be factual. Keep in mind when you answer that question. No where in the packs description does it say anything about possibilities of alternate cards. Just the probability of getting one of the 4 rated cards mentioned, and the odds of pulling one. Anyway. This whole thing is insignificant. My intention was to bring attention, that EA should clarify the contents more precisely, and not leave it to the buyer to assume its anything less.  Appreciate your banter  and your counter argument. Good luck in your EA endeavours going forward. Enjoyed reading your posts.