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therockstardan
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5 years ago
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BE A PRO - CENTER stuck playing WING every game

Product: NHL 21 Platform:Microsoft XBOX One How often does the bug occur? Every time (100%) Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? BE A PRO Career as a "Center" What happens when the bug occur...
  • EA_Blueberry's avatar
    EA_Blueberry
    5 years ago

    This is actually by design because your player is not yet proven to overthrow the current center. Most rookies that are drafted as centers don't play center right away. Even if you move up to the first line, you won't bump great centers to the wing like McDavid. 

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SkylerJames13
5 years ago
@EA_Blueberry wrote:
@therockstardanFeedback is fair. We've seen others mention they're not favorable of what direction the team took for this and passed along the thoughts. I suppose if you started in the position you wanted and if it was Sidney Crosby someone could say "Why would you start over him, he shouldn't be moved?", so it could go both ways but it's nice to have flexibility in what you want to do with your BAP mode. Maybe they will add an option in settings in a future update or title to let you choose, but as for the moment they went with the real life/simulation feel where you have to work your way up to prove yourself.

Just curious about that statement. If they supposedly went with the prove yourself path, then why do I overtake gibsons starting job when I’m a 74ovr goalie, that never posts a sv% above .900? Why do they start to favour an awful goalie over Gibson who’s proven to be one of the best in the game?

and this applies to literally every other game mechanic.. except for overtaking centre jobs. But you can play 1line minutes on the wing of Crosby, pushing down guentzel, when you’re a 73ovr even if you’re not scoring many points (a 73ovr shouldn’t be posting 70-120point seasons anyways, but in this “new” BAP mode, they seem to do it no matter what) 

so asides from having to prove yourself as a good centre man, you’re just handed 1st line minutes anyways since the game just gives you everything and forces you to be a superstar. 

There is almost literally nothing about “proving” yourself in this game anyway, you can put in minimal effort and be a superstar. 

there is no actual challenge to the game, because one of the key features, being drafted, is pointless now. You don’t have to work for it anymore. You play 2-4 games in playoffs and get drafted 1st if you get 4 points. 

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EA_Blueberry
Icon for Community Manager rankCommunity Manager
5 years ago
@SkylerJames13 Completely understand your perspective. To be honest, it sonuds like you're a vet of the franchise and it simply isn't a challenge to you, which is what you're looking for. We also participate on the EA NHL forums where a lot of hardcore simulation players hang out. It would be cool if the team implemented a storyline that can shift on difficulty. Will pass up the feedback, but in terms of major changes to overhaul the current structure of the storyline I have not been made aware of any future plans.

https://forums.ea.com/en/nhl/
  • SkylerJames13's avatar
    SkylerJames13
    5 years ago
    @EA_Blueberry I’ve already been posting on there a fair bit. But I don’t see the point since I’ve been told to post reports and such in this forum. I’ve been playing these games for a long time and I’ve never been more disappointed in a video game in my entire life. I exhausted all my avenues trying to refund it.

    A shifting storyline would be cool I guess. But not the same storyline it has right now. Why can’t I play a grinder? You’re telling me that I can’t play the role or Ryan Reaves or Pat Maroon, because I am forced to adhere to the awful story line of “here’s the next mcdavid! Crosby! Gretzky!” Etc. I’m hyped to be the next best thing since sliced bread when really i want to be able to play how I want.

    We asked for a better BAP, not a storyline that forces us to be the SAME THING every time.

    And the AHL being taken out, and the removal of the junior season before the draft is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen. Still can’t wrap my head around that stupid decision
    • deezynj's avatar
      deezynj
      4 years ago
      @SkylerJames13 Exactly!! Who’s idea was it to get rid of the AHL and make the junior season only a playoff? That makes me want to back to NHL 21
  • refined98's avatar
    refined98
    5 years ago
    @EA_Blueberry So basically you are saying Be A Pro is for beginner type of players as it stands right now? There's a tons of hardcore Franchise and BAP players out there whom has been played NHL games a long time.. It's been massive disappointment, unplayable to be honest here.
    • SkylerJames13's avatar
      SkylerJames13
      5 years ago
      @refined98 wrote:
      @EA_BlueberrySo basically you are saying Be A Pro is for beginner type of players as it stands right now? There's a tons of hardcore Franchise and BAP players out there whom has been played NHL games a long time.. It's been massive disappointment, unplayable to be honest here.

      I was very excited for this supposed “revamp” they highly touted before release. The BAP and FM players are the loyal ones. We’ve been here for years and years. BAP and FM is actually about hockey. The HUT and stuff is about competitive gameplay which you can find in tons of games ie call of duty, fortnite, league of legends, etc etc.

      I like competition, makes things fun, but I play NHL for the actual hockey experience, especially after a year where we saw hockey end early, and rec hockey in my town was shut down early too, I was looking forward to experiencing hockey again. But I was very very disappointed in the product that was released. It wasn’t even close to hitting the mark that they should have aimed for. 
      I just wanted a  game, along with many other people, where we can work our behinds off, to prove ourselves to NHL clubs, and get drafted accordingly. Not get drafted 1st for putting up 4 points. 


      a game where I’m not given captaincy immediately following my rookie season, or following a trade and have yet played a game for said team. 

      a game where if I’m playing poorly, I get sent down to develop further. Not get scratched for a game or two and get incite second chances. 

      a game where my hand isn’t held and I’m spoon fed everything to become a superstar 

      A game where I have to work and prove myself that I can play centre, either it be on the wing for a bit, 4th line, or even 1st/2nd line in the AHL (if it existed in the game mode that is, which it doesn’t this year) 

      • yarg232's avatar
        yarg232
        5 years ago

        A little off topic but I didn't want to create another bug report since they all go ignored anyway. In BAP, is there an icon/screen area where I can see my entire career stats to date? Or is this something that EA failed to implement entirely? Since I've bounced around to a couple teams, I'd like to look back and see what my stats were with certain teams. Similar to what you'd see on the back of a hockey card. I guess this is not "in the game"?

  • fallout76isanal's avatar
    fallout76isanal
    5 years ago
    @EA_Blueberry Honestly if he is a vet or not it doesn’t really matter, I have been playing these games since 2013 yet one of my buddies just got it this year for Christmas and still can get drafted 1st overall in realistic difficulty. There is just no difficulty at all getting drafted and as @SkylerJames13 said “you can put in minimal effort and be a superstar.” So honestly hearing it’s a realism thing yet you can be drafted a 70 overall tendy and replace a 90 overall is a bit insane. I’m just repeating what everyone else had said but that should serve as a sign that we would like to see some center change or let us be a 4th/3rd line center rather then a first line right winger when your secondary is a left winger. Hell even if you don’t want to change us from being a first line winger change the goals so I don’t see “ cover open man” “ win face off ___”.
    • EA_Blueberry's avatar
      EA_Blueberry
      Icon for Community Manager rankCommunity Manager
      5 years ago

      I feel you on that. This was the intended design as I was told, so getting different perspectives from the community on how they want to enter into this game mode and play different positions right off the bat is important for us to understand what work needs to be done going forward. We'll pass this along to the team, hopefully they can add your requested game design change/addition into the game within a patch. If not, it's something that will be considered by the Be a Pro team for a future NHL title. 

      Always appreciate the conversation, thanks for playing NHL 21 and good luck to you all on the ice this new year. 

      • SkylerJames13's avatar
        SkylerJames13
        5 years ago
        @EA_Blueberry Are they gonna consider bringing back the important things they took out? Like the junior seasons before the draft? Why the heck would they take that out?
        Are they going to make it so the game isn’t baby difficulty? So that if you get two goals in the tournament, you’re not automatically 1st overall? No challenge and no sense of accomplishment whatsoever since every single play through feels the same. Empty and meaningless since you don’t have to work for anything.
        Are they going to fix the absolutely stupid AI GMs? So that every teams roster isn’t overhauled every single year? Such a pile of garbage this game mode is this year.
  • ezo568dgnkkc's avatar
    ezo568dgnkkc
    4 years ago

    I get the “needing to prove yourself” aspect, but there’s one thing that definitely needs to be fixed. I now have two coaching goals for defense and team player that assume I’m a center. Since I’m not, I have no way of completing them, and so they just sit there, and will continue to do so until I’ve “proved myself” enough to take over a center spot. This is definitely a flaw, and should probably be addressed. I need to be able to meet these goals to keep progressing. Hopefully this gets patched soon to update your goals to be in line with the position you actually play at the time. 

  • Zangokuse's avatar
    Zangokuse
    4 years ago

    I think, simply put, the way the developers implemented this mechanic was just poorly done. If it was done properly, I think a lot of NHL22 players would like this mechanic.

    First off, coaching feedback should be adjusted to what position your BAP player is in. You can't ask a winger to win faceoffs when they don't get the chance to take them. This is just plain lazy from a AAA developer. If I'm forced to play the wing give feedback like "block the passing lanes" or "cover for the defence." The excuse that it's "by design" only holds up if it was "designed" and not just crudely put together by taking square pegs and trying to ram them through round holes.

    Secondly, you can't have a series of games where you move up in the line up in your position and just change it one year with no in game explanation. It leaves your fanbase thinking it's a bug. Simply put it in the overview when BAP characters get drafted, or make it part of one the many conversations BAP characters have with the coaches.

    These are simple things developers can do to make the game better, but it will only get better once the development team critically thinks about the game they are making.

  • Lecia1820's avatar
    Lecia1820
    4 years ago

    I’ve been playing Be a pro for years. Progression to the top line has always been far to easy considering in your first season your start around a 71 overall. The biggest issue is still centers being placed on wings over better players. You mention that a rookie wouldn’t bump Sidney Crosby. But would a rookie center out of position bump say a 91 overall David Pasternak? Because that’s what’s happening currently. I think there needs to be a mechanic that limits what line you can reach in be a pro based on your overall. Yes you a right most rookies won’t bump top talent which is why in be a pro we should not be reaching the top line in season 1. 

    Not only would limiting what line players can reach by overall, you can also implement a scale in which players who are reaching max potential at that level are being slotting in their preferred position. Players playing poor are moved to off position and average play is slotted to your secondary position. 

  • atlanta33's avatar
    atlanta33
    4 years ago

    This was stupid to force you to choose 2 positions. I can see making it an option but that should be our decision. If we haven't "proven" our selves then stick us in the AHL until we do.

  • Moosemon's avatar
    Moosemon
    4 years ago

    Just saying played two full seasons every game upping the difficulty through them and never once got the chance to be a center scoring 3 goals a game and getting 3 to 5 assists. Never actually playing on a penalty kill line.  Every other line xp bar is maxed.  So how come i haven't proved my player. And why dont i play on the whole pk unit. Also i would like to see more variety in the teams you can play for.  And still do memorial cup and off-season so you can get a 70 ovr by the time you play your first preseason game. 

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