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Re: Nhl 21 suggestions

Is there something built into the game that promotes AI gameplay to be better or worse? I find that game to game one team gets a definite bonus depending on their AI play. As in there is no possible way to win when you play a player whose AI outplay your's 1000%. 

I have played around with my strategies and I've found what works best for me. I just don't understand how I'm supposed to change my gameplay to adjust for my opponent's goalie posting a 95+ sv% with 10-15 open net cross crease or AAA+ scoring chances and my goalies collectively boast a 50-55 sv% on shots from the blue line and single pass plays. I've played this series for years and I still can't come to understand how the system determines how well AIs play. Either your forwards are consistently in the perfect position for cross seams and one timers and your goalie makes multiple impossible saves or your forwards go for a change on breakaways, leave the post once you get the perfect lane for a cross seam, skate away as the last or second last defender back and your goalie can't make a basic save to save his life.

Is this simply a matter of how strategies line up and the ratings between teams? If this is so, is there a way to make a more level playing field for players by introducing the ability to change strats during intermissions or that calling a time out will smarten up your AI after completely blowing your game? It gets frusterating when you completely outplay your opponent and you can tell how unequal the gameplay is but you still manage to lose 8-2 when you triple or quadruple their TOA, shots and chances.

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  • EA_Aljo's avatar
    EA_Aljo
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    5 years ago

    @Chaseinator5 

    The biggest contributor to how AI play are what the human-controlled players are doing. For example, if you are skating out of position constantly, the AI are going to adjust and cover the open ice you're leaving. This puts them out of position so they aren't going to have the same opportunities for offense/defense. As far as goalies go, it's possible your opponent is selling the shot better. If you put the puck on your forehand, they think you're going to shoot so they prepare for a shot. If you pass across the slot for a one timer when holding the puck on your forehand, the goalie isn't as prepared for the shot so it's going to be easier to score.

    You're always welcome to post videos of the goals you feel should have gone in. I'd be happy to review them for any odd behavior.

    The AI are not boosted though. They are identical on both sides. What affects their behavior are human input, strategies and overalls. Otherwise, their behavior is exactly the same. 

  • @EA_Aljo 

    Thank you for all the replies and all the advice. Every recommendation you have made I have tried to incorporate into my game. Regardless of any changes though, nearly every game I play feels like the ice is tilted. 

    I will say this, and I can't stress this enough. There is 100% something in this game that gives a performance boost to a team that is significantly worse. When I start a game by about the 10 minute mark if I notice that I am significantly better than my opponent and we haven't even played a minute my zone I know I am going to lose. 

    When these games happen (4/5 games) I will outplay TOA 15 min - 4 min and lose by multiple goals. If I have a 10 foot head start on a puck that slides down the ice, full out sprinting I will lose the race every time by 5 feet. If I have a 20 foot headstart on a breakaway his defenders will catch up and somehow without taking a penalty simply steal the puck from behind and start down the ice. My players cannot be lower energy the entire game but they will always skate slower in these scenarios. It's also impossible to set up odd man rushes when my players skate so slow, and when I finally do my skater on the other wings skates away. All my opponent has to do is enter the zone and fire a wrister at the net and it will blow past my goalie.  How do I defend that? How do I play better? 25% of passes will for some reason go directly to my opponent's stick and not my player I aimed at about 30° difference in pass angle. This is extremely frusterating. My last game I played I made a pass diagonally across the O zone and it passed directly by 3 of my skaters and hit the boards, and when I used my last skater to go grab it, they skated over the puck, my opponent grabbed it and launched an immediate stretch pass to a guy that was covered but it went through him and once he hit the blue line yet another wrist shot goal.

    Perfect cross seam plays and his goalie jumps and makes the save, perfect shot opportunities that my players will miss 9/10 times. One timer set ups and my player turns as I pass to them and they fire it weakly on a backhand that doesn't even make it to the net. This last second turn as they are about to or as they get the puck cause so many more problems, as they turn into opponent AI and redirect pucks into your own net. Also my AI seem to skate into each other and bunch up leaving large sections of the ice open. Or they will skate into me, effectively slowing me down allowing the opponent to set up and destroying the play. 

    Check them into the boards full force and they slither through with the puck. Pass to an open player? Puck magnetizes off my stick and onto my opponents. Skating up the ice and my player randomly looses the puck without cause. Any press of RB is a penalty, regardless of if the poke check was even close to their feet, and I have videos of poke checking 3 feet out and they fall over...

    Meanwhile the puck is attached to their stick with a string. If I poke it lose it makes a tick sound and they get it back, or it perfectly passing to their other player. They can skate through multiple of my players with the skaters passing right through their stick but they don't lose it. Or if I check them they will instantly regain it. 

    I also have video of cross seam passes that make it to my second skater and then it suddenly floats off and magnetizes to my opponent's defender.

    It absolutely wrecks the game when you outplay and outskill your opponent in every way but you lose. Time and time again I have 10 more mins of attack, 15-20 more shots, 10x their grade A scoring chances but my goalie kicks pucks into his own net and randomly gets halted half way through sliding to the other post and my AI are a div 3 peewee team.

    On a separate note, trips resulting from poke checks where the hand contacts the waist should be removed. It makes no sense that a glove grazing a player's waist sweeps out their feet. And especially when you are in front of them when you're chasing them back.

    I love hockey and I loved playing the NHL games but every game I play it pushes me farther from wanting to give the next game in the series a try. I want to contribute to the next game by providing these issues and the video evidence so it can be fixed but it honestly wrecks this game for me. I'm at the rate of recording 2-3 obvious game changing errors a game, but the majority of the problems like loosing a long lead on a puck race or passing to the wrong person can't simply be recorded as proof of a problem. 

    Also there is definitely a problem with AI penalties in offline play. It is outrageous how my AI can take 5+ penalties a game when I am the one playing the puck carrier. ESPECIALLY when you're already on the pk to put you on a 5 on 3. Online play seems to be much better for some reason. 

  • EA_Aljo's avatar
    EA_Aljo
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    5 years ago

    @Chaseinator5 

    There absolutely is no ice tilt. One team is not boosted over the other. This 1000% does not exist.

    If you can get some video of your issues, I'll gladly review them. There just isn't really anything we can do without it as I can play a much slower team and very clearly notice a difference. For example, playing Squad Battles against an 80 OVR club with a 97 OVR club. There are various reasons a defender can catch up on a breakaway. Most often, from the videos I've seen, it's due to the carrier making slight turns. The carrier also has a small penalty to speed, but this is negated if you hustle. Speaking of hustle, if you're using it all the time and not just when you're skating in a straight line, you'll wear out your players a lot faster. The only time you really are going to notice a difference is if you're skating in a straight line. It doesn't work if you're using it in turns.