Slow servers, low ping, compensation?

@Gitarnik77 

Can you show me video of slower skaters outskating faster players? This is crucial to being able to review this as we've not been able to reproduce it.

If you swap out your team for base golds, are you winning more games?

@e7mow 

Thanks for the feedback. I'll get it passed on to the dev team.

@EA_Aljo 

do you need another example on priv? I've got a new fresh one from today.

Btw. can you "unsolve" the problem? I hit the "problem solved button" on @e7mow post before, it's not solved though he's right. IT'S A BIG ISSUE of NHL20...

@Gitarnik77 

You're welcome to post a video here or PM me.

I can provide you tons of content with this weird tilt to Fins - maybe it's the matter of connection, maybe ping. If you swear it's not a tilt or game scripting 👿

I played directly with them as well and the connection was HORRIBLE, they usually have bad connections. Is there any assist from the game when that happens? We played in Rivals mode, decent connection, my ping 25ms. My team 86-91, opponent had 85-88 team and I lost 6:1! My opponent scored 4 goals after my goalie gave easy rebound. My D (88-91) and goalie 89 was acting like drugged. Direct connection was so bad that almost impossible to play, it's like watching 4k movie on a 2003 PC. My connection jest 250mb, their 30-50mb from what I've heard. All of them from FINLAND. To hell with them!

For the love of God, how is that even possibleto be losing most of the games with Fins?!

@Gitarnik77 

There is absolutely no tilt, scripting or advantage given to one side over the other for the sake of compensating or giving one team a better chance. None whatsoever.

You're connecting to people from Finland because that is your region. There are some very skilled players there as well. Some of the best in the world. So, you probably have some very stiff competition. Since you don't want to troubleshoot your connection, we can't rule out any issues with it.

Where did you get that I don't want troubleshoot?

Oh, I played with few skilled players and really can appreciate their playing. I also can distinguish them from poor players with bunch of luck, winning 6:1 with 3mins TOA, 15shots, 3 faceoffs while I have 45 shots, 9,5min TOA, 30face offs and 15hits.

Previously you said you went through tech issues with EA_Blueberry. I took that as not wanting to do them again. I don't know what steps you already did to troubleshoot. However, if your thought is that one side gets a boost over the other, that's not something we can troubleshoot anyway as it doesn't exist.

45 shots is a very high amount of shots. It sounds more like you're throwing them on net rather than setting up good chances. I've been watching the game you sent me and that's pretty apparent also. It's fine if that's how you want to play, but it doesn't generate as good scoring chances as when you move the puck more. I also see you like to throw the puck out with your goalie. That tires your players out more and sets up line changes you don't intend. Your players leave the ice on a rush because they're tired instead of staying in the play. For example, it looks like this happened with the second goal against you. They also scored because you switched players and stepped up instead of backing off and covering a potential 2 on 1. This gave them an easy scoring chance they capitalized on. You have an aggressive style of defense. This is fine, but it also means you have to be good with your hits or you're giving up odd-man rushes when missing them.

You also don't manually change your lines with each stoppage. You will frequently have lines in with more fatigue. Their stats drop as their fatigue gets yellow and then red. If your opponent is managing their lines better, they can have more speed.

My point is, if you slow down your play and manage your players fatigue better, you'll see them remain as fast as possible. From what I've seen so far, the biggest contributor to all the breakaways and odd-man rushes you face is due to stepping up for hits.

You may be right, but...

How do you explain these superfast rides of 82-84 players through my 88-91 team? How is that even possible 82 player goes around 3 way better players, shoots and scores easy goals with a barely moving goalie? Does stats matter?

I feel you didn't watch the game carefully - I try to change lines as often as I could, BUT my opponent doesn't do it and still has got the speed. Not to mention, opponents goalie look better and usually their stats are poorer than mine 89 Bishop.

It seems low pingers get advantage of finalising attacks way  easier then rest of us. Goalie moves way to slow to be engaged in defending the net. D is frozen and skate crazy of the defending game.

If you watched the game, is it in any way clear that I can feel the difference while playing with low overall stats teams and have a certain disadvantage then? I don't have this kind of feel when I play with 90+ teams, that I usually defeat. How is that possible almost every time?

I'd do the troubleshoot again, let's go. Thanks for the tip of slowing the game, I'll try that 🙂

@Gitarnik77 

From what I saw, you were getting beat from chasing for hits. This takes your defender out of the play and generates odd-man rushes.

You're going to need to specifically point out when you think their players are unfairly fast. I'll watch that part of the video. Otherwise, I'm not seeing anything that proves they have some kind of boost. 

Have you tried playing with base golds or less? If you truly think those items get a bonus, why not try them out and see what happens?

@EA_Aljo 

I'll try 82-85 players and get you the feedback.

Ok, if I'm delusional and simply playing bad (if that's what you meant) how come I easily win with better teams? Not all the  time, but 7-8 games ends with a win. I think you're not getting the point of this advantage - it's not a moment it's a feel I'm in competition with way better team like 93 Karlsson, 95 Pastrnak, but in fact they are 85 and 83. Seriously I cannot tell until they score and it's showed what players are in the game...

@Gitarnik77 

Are you saying you should never be able to score with players that are rated lower than your opponent's?

Once again, there is no boost whatsoever when you have lower-rated players. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nothing at all.

@EA_Aljo 

Exactly. It's way easier for me to play, score and win with team full of 89-92 than 82-85 mixed with 2-3 90-91, which seems way better than are. Weird, ha?

@Gitarnik77 

It makes sense you'd do better with the 89 - 92 team as they have higher overalls. So, I'm not quite understanding why you are saying lower-rated items get a boost.

@EA_Aljo 

I'm not getting it either, that's the reason of posting this topic. From my point of view they do get some kind of a boost, while my D gets super slow, act crazy and my goalie is like he's not playing the game. And I lose 6:1 (15:35 shots, 3:00-9:00 TOA, 65%-80% pass acc, 3-25 faceoffs etc.).

I read somewhere when building a team you need to keep the overall number under 87 (83 Laine - 91 Zibanejad - 87 Kucherov) in lines to make this boost possible. Of course, you'll say it's one of the myths.

@Gitarnik77 

Yes. That is absolutely a myth, but you're welcome to use a low rated team if you like. If what you're saying is true, the leaderboards wouldn't be full of teams with high overalls.

@EA_Aljo

You wrote before: "it makes sense you'd do better with the 89 - 92 team as they have higher overalls". Does that make sense if I lose with teams with lower overall or mixed 82's and 91 players? I does not. Logic says having 90+ team I'd do better with weaker teams, it's opposite. Why is that?

@Gitarnik77 

A higher overall doesn't guarantee you will win against lower overall teams. You need to consider the skill between the humans that are playing. If your opponent isn't chasing for hits which lead to odd-man rushes and breakaways, but the team they're playing is doing that, it's going to give them a much better chance at winning. That's just one example. Higher overalls are giving you an advantage, but they don't do much when it comes to making up for lower skill.

@EA_Aljo 

it's understandable that skills are the main thing here, BUT I get the same thing over and over again with pariticular teams - built with 82-85 players mixed with 3-4 90-92 players. How come I get a feeling 80's players skate faster, pass better and have a killer shot. Every time! It's not that some of this mixed teams are good, some bad. They all have great speed and I can feel it especially after playing with more equal teams to mine. Do you get it?

@Gitarnik77 

I understand what you're saying, but lower-rated players aren't skating or passing better than higher-rated players. Again, if this is how you feel, please try swapping out your players for base golds and see what happens.

@EA_Aljo 
After 5 losses in a row with mixed teams (83 and 91), I was relegated to lower division and played 6 games straight wins. Every opponent with equal team. What the hell...

@Gitarnik77 

Lower divisions typically have people with lower skill than the higher divisions. Which would explain why you did better there than in the division you got relegated from.

@EA_Aljo 

That's obvious. That's not why we're here.

THERE IS something with this game, that low ping <10ms and mixed team of 82-84 players with 90-92 can defeat you easily.

What gets this advantage and makes the game UNEVEN:

- low ping

- mix of weak gold card players with 89-92

results of this:
- opponent's team gets easy scoring chances, D gets crazy, goes of the slot leaving attackers alone for tip in

- G (mine 89) plays like he was 60-62, lets most of the shots, doesn't react and move

- opponent's team scores even from the blue line covered (82 Ekblad slapper, yeaaah) easily going around D 88-91 players

- more than regular contact with other player end up in the sin bin and it's way more difficult to win fights

- 2on0 on a breakaway is a disaster, the loose attacker goes to fast behind the net (with crash the net or other strategy) or stays low not willing to be on breakaway

- if opponent doesn't make stupid mistakes it is almost impossible to get chances for a goal

This ❤️❤️❤️❤️ repeats OVER AND OVER in every single game with these aspects. It's not one-two game thing it's happening all the time.

EA, it's confirmed facts, we see PATTERN. Will anybody competent deal with it? We have enough of telling us "there's no tilt, script, whatsoever", blah blah blah. It's not a solution. Work with us!

@Gitarnik77

After seeing your videos, I'm inclined to believe it's due to your aggressive style of play. That's fine if you want to play that way, but it also means you're susceptible to breakaways and open lanes for good shots/passes. There is nothing built into the game that forces a lower-rated team to beat a higher rated one. Once again, if this is something you believe exists, try playing with a silver, bronze or base gold players and see what happens. There absolutely is no ice tilt. It doesn't exist.