Re: EP16_Lovestruck - Incorrect PartFlags and Bloat galore!

@Sejian 

I see that this is CC so perhaps take it up with the creator.

@jpkarlsen
It's not CC. Those are EP16 CAS items.

They have the modded flag because I've already overridden them with other PartFlag fixes. I fix these things then slap a bow onto them and share them with the community 🎁. I don't just report them.

The underwear in those latest screenshots for instance, both male and female variants were shipped with the wrong Restrict Opposite flag and the male variant was incorrectly flagged for both sexes, which is why there's a big old gap on my sim in the very first screenshot but not in the more recent screenshots. It was the first thing I fixed.

If you have Lovestruck, you can check it yourself. You might need a Male/Feminine Frame sim to experience the gap, but a cisframe Female sim will suffice for the tights and underwear. All other EAxis underwear is worn under tights but the EP16 underwear have the wrong SortLayer so they're worn above the tights.

The only time a non-EP16 CAS item will show up in a screenshot here is if I'm using it to compare, like the fingernails, and it will always be an item from either the Base Game or another content pack.

@SejianOh, I noticed the bug on the underpants because a random Sim was generated with them and looked really weird. I reported it here: https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/LS-Random-female-Sims-using-the-masculine-version-of-the-new/m-p/13908606#M284989

I did not see your thread before and I also don't understand why it would have been moved to feedback since this is clearly a bug. Probably because people often don't get that there's a real problem if your language is too techie...

@flauschtrud
"I did not see your thread before and I also don't understand why it would have been moved to feedback since this is clearly a bug. Probably because people often don't get that there's a real problem if your language is too techie..."

The Bug Report was moved here within the hour it was posted if I'm not mistaken.

I do have that issue of typing "too techie", however, whether or not other simmers understand it shouldn't dictate where EA or AHQ moves it, because they're supposed to understand what I'm saying, right?

To be fair though, and I'm just musing here so let me have it, even members of the modding community don't understand this because for instance with Restrict Opposite Gender, for a very long time simmers have been told that "bad things will happen if you don't use the ROGender flag" when in fact, bad things happen because the ROGender flag is used incorrectly. ROGender has limited usage and is a big problem for transframe sims (sims with opposite frames) because it forces them to wear the clothing for their sex (gender) instead of their frame, and mismatching sex (gender) and frame clothing causing deformities on sims. Before the pre-patch it was just some crotch deformity and posture and the arm distance from the body so it was "fine". Since the pre-patch, our entire spine deforms horrendously, which is not fine. EA should know this, it's their PartFlag, yet for the past ten years, every content release has been plagued with incorrect ROGender flags. It is the main culprit of "this clothing is making my sim look weird". Bug Reports has numerous Bug Reports like this and every once in a while EAxis fixes ONE or TWO then the next content release is chock-full of more.

"The Bloat" is the other one no one understands because they've convinced themselves that "it's fine if your female / feminine sim has a tiny waist". I could accept that if all the Top and Full Body clothing had the same effect, but that's not the case. EAxis keeps applying something to the mesh configuration or design for certain clothing that makes the clothing look horrendously bloated (fat) on female and feminine frame sims if their waist isn't the tiniest possible. I don't understand why. It's not necessary and serves no purpose. "But baggy clothes" at the expense of all non-hourglass feminine sims looking horrendously bloated? Please EAxis, if you ever read this, I'm begging AGAIN, PLEASE STOP DOING IT. Eventually I'm going to figure it out and I'll fix it myself (I already have a "dirty" fix that limits how much the hotspot sculpt sliders affect the specific clothing item but it's not ideal) and I'll make a very big post with pictures of EVERY item you've done this on. Maybe I'll just screenshot all of EAxis CAS Tops and Full Body and show the difference - "Bloat! No bloat! Bloat! No bloat!" ad infinitum. It can be a fun mini-game for me! Pin the tail on The Bloat!

If you're willing to, link to this thread in your OP, or maybe I'll start linking to myself in comments on other threads of this nature, since I go through the whole content release for my CAS Override mods and usually state what's wrong and how to fix it, or maybe I add links to threads like yours to my OP whenever I see them.

I could, if I wanted to, list every one of the 200+ CAS items that came with Lovestruck and point out what's wrong with each of them and what needs to be done to fix them, because I've done it already, I'm doing it right now, but I don't really see the point if EAxis is just going to ignore it and continue doing it wrong, which is exactly what they've been doing.

The cynic in me thinks this thread was moved because Lovestruck is newly released and having a Bug Report like this that says "MOST OF EP16'S CAS IS A PARTFLAG MESS, JUST LOOK AT MY 61 [AND COUNTING] SCREENSHOTS" with a cover picture that shows a sim with a big gap in their stomach and three additional pictures pointing out very clearly how badly EAxis has deformed transframe sims <takes a breath> ain't good for business, but I won't speculate and I won't hold a grudge about them moving the Bug Report that I clearly put a lot of effort into. Initially I was a bit irritated, but I've calmed down since then, because I know I have an attitude, and I am very critical, and it reflects poorly on the product they're trying to sell, and I understand this.

Well now, that was an essay! xD

Here's yfBottom_EP16UnderwearTrim and ymBottom_EP16UnderwearTrim with correct SortLayers and yfAcc_TightsEP16Fishnet and ymAcc_TightsEP16Fishnet with the incorrect RestrictOppositeGender flags removed.

This is how these items are supposed to show and work and interact with each other. NOT how EAxis shipped them.

My initial outrage from thinking no Female textures were made for the Tights is the reason why incorrect ROGender flags are bad. These items also don't need ROFrame flags because they do not use a mesh, they apply directly onto the sim's body like Makeup and therefore WILL NOT CAUSE DEFORMITIES if the opposite frame item is worn.