Re: [ARCHIVED] Sims forget already existing relationships

hi, @SimQARobo!

the forgotten Sims do disappear from the panel. strangely, others with completely empty friendship (or friendship and romance) bars remain, especially unhoused/not in world NPCs, at least in my case. and they have been there for a long, long time, longer than those Sims with a bit of green/pink in their bars that do disappear and need to be re-introduced to the rest.

so they could be gone after a Sim week, or never! but it does seem weird that a random townie my Sims interacted with months ago (IRL, actually!) and basically never again (no changes to their relationship bars) would still there while a friend or acquaintance they talk with much more often would disappear.

Sims in my played households are always friends. so they get to be good friends or best friends, see each other every day, so that works. the problem seems to be with friends or, more specifically, acquaintances or "just friends". of the latter, some with 100% empty relationship bars -and no contact whatsoever- remain, while an acquaintance with some green in the friendship bar (perhaps 25%) will disappear after only a couple of Sim days without talking to them in person. i'm trying to expand on the first paragraph but i don't really see a pattern...

really fast relationship decrease is also noticeable when some Sims travel from their own house to a different lot, be it a community or residential one. they might be gone for only a few Sim hours and, upon returning, their relationship with good and best friends (those are the ones i have in my main household) will have dropped significantly. it also happens between the household members that did not leave the house during those Sim hours.

this happens without my playing rotationally very often. i stick with the one household most of the time, and those Sims interact with the rest of my housed (but at that moment unplayed) ones.

so a good friend will sometimes turn into a friend (or a friend into an acquaintance) after one Sim day, even. or a few Sim hours. it's not always the same. the romance bar also drops very quickly, even for Sims who are a couple/engaged/etc.

something else i have noticed is that some Sims with lower friendship bars than those who are simply acquaintances will still be listed as friends.

also, i tested without mods.

@unseenlarks

Thank you for the info 🙂

@SimQARoboIn case your still looking in to this. Im having this issue as well and its causing a lot of problems in my game. - I play on Mac and I play rotational, so whenever I shift back to another household they have lost relationships with several family members and friends living in the world, but are good/ friends with random townies that don't live in the world.

- They are completely wiped out of the relationsship panel as if they never met.

- I usually play a household for two weeks and then shift, so I can't really say exactly as I sometimes switch back after two weeks to the same household, and other times rotate for several sim weeks/ months. I seems to occur no matter how long time that has gone, but the longer time, the more of them seems to be gone from the panel.
- And random sims seem to have taken the place of friendly relationships in the panel. (Bonus info: I have experienced this both with and without ageing on for all sims in the game)

- It varies from acquaintances to friends, im not completely sure if any good friends have disappeared but I suspect it.
Best friends and parents, children & siblings seem to stay in the panel. Although I think the relationships to some of them have vanished too. - When they are not in the same household.
But cousins and grandchildren/parents and even close relationships significant others, and all other kind of relationships will disappear completely from the relationsship panel.

- Yes, no mods or CC, ever.

Thanks!

Stinalina

Hello @Stinalina @SqueamishNerd 

Would you be willing to share your save files that have this issue?  If so, please send me a private message with a link to the files.

Instructions here:

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/INFORMATION-How-to-Send-User-Files-to-The-Sims-4-Team/m-p/6065302 

@SqueamishNerd 

Thank you!

@Stinalina 

Thank you!

@Stinalina 

Unfortunately I don't have any news to share on this.  The team is still looking into it.

What is worrisome is that I have now noticed this in my game, which should be impossible since I use MCCC to disable relationship culling! There seems to be no pattern to discern why some of them disappear, but since it's happening even in a game that's rigged to circumvent the 35-max-relationship culling, perhaps that is an indication that something else broke and is causing it.

This continues to be a problem.  Every time I switch households, I find my sims have forgotten their cousins, their old playmates, sometimes even their own spouses.  Not only does it 'ruin mah immersion,' it wastes my time (over and over and over!), destroys my fun, and adds to my physical pain with unnecessary repetitive keystrokes as I once again reintroduce my sims to each other, pause the game, mouse through long dialog trees to hit 'get to know' once, then again through the tree to hit 'get to know' again, then 'ask career', then the long dialog tree to 'get to know' for the third time.  And then the other bug where your queued actions all disappear when some npc human or pet interrupts hits me and I have to wait for the dialog options to return and then try to do that all again.

Please.  Just give us a CHEAT to get all possible info on another sim.  I know you can do it; it's basically the vampire perk or the 'observant' reward (which only works if you're playing the sim and go through a formal introduction, which does not account for all relationships.)

Please.  You're obviously not going to fix the bug; clearly it's too tricky or not worth the operational cost to you.  So give us the cheat to reduce our suffering.

It's only fair.  Don't make me keep having to do this tedious, painful chore over and over and over and over ad infinitum.

(eta:  I see I posted this at the exact wrong time, while Crin's away and just before a major game patch.  Pity!  Giving us a quick cheat that'd repair the damage done by this bug would really help.)

My sims are losing relationships with family members they've known. Parents/children etc. 

I currently use the mccc mod to fix it but have never ran into this issue before. 

I've just found this issue in my game. It's actually the first time I notice it. I was planning to marry those two sims, and now, I will have to start over.

Now for the questions:

- They are completely removed from the friendship panel.

- Less than one sim day passed when I found the issue.

- They were friends, as long as I remember.

- I use no mods at all.

I mainly play with one family. However, I usually take one sim night for playing with the other families, when I make 1 or up to 4 families pregnant, and then go back to the main family. I usually go back around 7 am, sim time. However, this time I got issues with a family (Tried to make a house on a hill, had to make some improvements so that the sims could walk home), and had to go back at around 8:30 am. I noticed this around 10 am, when I tried to call the other sim to hang out, and was just not there. Since I was told about the family tree bug, I've been backing up my game in a second save, however, when I checked the backup, this issue was also present there.

Both sims were in saved households (no townies or unfavorited sims involved).

If it turns useful, I could send the saves.

Talk to you later!

All relationship statuses completely forgotten over time. Has anyone figured out any fixes to this. Town is Sulani only I believe 

@SouthernPuchuuSame. I play rotationally and will be in another household for 1-3 sims days. When I go back, they've lost like half of their relationships.

Also, anyone with romantic relationships usually goes from very satisfied to dissatisfied or very dissatisfied (even with a wholesome or steamy dynamic). Don't know if these are related, but it's making my style of gameplay very annoying - I basically have to spend that time repairing and re-establishing relationships instead of continuing their storyline.

Hello all,

If any of you are still encountering this on the latest game version (without mods), would you be willing to share your save file(s)?

If so, please send me a private message with a link to the file. Instructions can be found here: http://x.ea.com/74420

Thanks!

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@olga_k2 wrote:
@jsophiakGuys, this is a limitation of the game. Sims gradually forget relationships. I have removed this limitation with a mod, maybe that's why my save is now overloaded and broken and I can't add any new lots.

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Not at this rate. I've been playing Sims 4 since it came out; relationships (particularly STRONG relationships) don't cull that quickly. As I said: less than 3 sim days and pretty much every relationship aside from their household and a handful of others (again, not even the strong relationships, the sims they barely know) is gone. Just gone. I've seen it with a few content creators that also play rotationally. 

Culling isn't the issue. Its the RATE at which the culling occurs and the specific relationships that it chooses do not match up with the intended culling (where it's supposed to cull weakest relationships first).