Re: [FIXED] Game creating tons empty households/Save game bloat/Insane Lag

This is bananas.  I uninstalled and reinstalled and the issue seemed to go away but I still feel a stutter and that is with a clean save and no mods.  No more empty households but had duplicate Agnes crumplebottom 

I am now 99.9% sure that it is the wild fox trait, I took the trait off in build mode via manage worlds before moving sims, No lag issues yet (been about an hour).

Started a new save, removed the Wild Foxes trait from all lots in Build Mode, haven't gone to HoB in live mode.  No problems.

Henford is cursed.

I am having the same issue. I thought it was a mod/cc issue before I found this thread, so I've been in all my saves and they are all trashed and unplayable now. I'm so bummed. Has EA responded to anything about this problem?

Same issue here - I've disabled all my cc and have not had the same issue in a new save without the cc, and turning on my script mods ONLY (not build/cas items) also didn't produce the bug. Even with the wild foxes trait on or off, living in Henford on Bagley - the area that isn't the town itself or the bramblewood - hasn't created the issue with my build/cas items turned off. I'm trying to figure out how to replicate it by turning these items back on one folder at a time, but so far playing the game without mods at all isn't creating the same problem as before on my new save.

Afaik I don't think they've said anything about people experiencing this issue. Even if it is cc causing it, they definitely broke something in the recent patch and I'm pretty disappointed. I hoped it gets solved or acknowledged soon.

To people who tried out playing without the Wild Foxes trait: is there still no sign of lag after a couple sim days of playing? Did the empty households generate?

@ChildishLazy  In my new save game, I'm playing on a lot in Old New Henford with the wild foxes trait as a test (3 Olde Mill Lane), since those are two of the things mentioned so far as potential triggers for this bug. (Though since other people have experienced the bug without living in Henford-on-Bagley at all, I doubt foxes or the Old New Henford neighborhood are the only possible triggers for the bug - and might not be triggers at all; it could just be a coincidence that so many of us are experiencing the bug after playing on that empty 50x40 lot or lots with the wild foxes challenge in general, but I think it's worth investigating all the same.)

It's been about a week in-game and so far no empty household generation or lag, but I'm still keeping an eye on my save file size just in case. I wonder if the more times I close/reopen the game or load the world, the more likely the bug is to pop up (I noticed that in my first, bloated save where I first experienced the bug, the lag got worse and the save file size got bigger every time I exited out of the game and reloaded).

@bubonickittenIf it's going to cause the glitch, it should be Almost instant - if I put all my cc folders back in, on a new save (before the empty households are generated), within minutes of starting live mode and returning to the neighborhood overview to view my households, the empty households appear again. It's happening to me still on new saves.

Since turning on the few (up to date) script mods I have didn't have any effect on my save, I've also tried removing just build/buy cc from my game and the problem still occurs, so it seems to be the game interacting with cas cc items strangely, though I haven't narrowed it down yet. I don't have the issue at all even if I play for an extended period of time with all mods disabled.

@potatolv That's so odd. I would think that if a mod was going to cause an issue like this, it would be a script mod. Do you use a lot of CC? We could compare mods to see if we have one in common that could be a culprit? I don't use that many - the ones I'm using in my new save are mostly the same ones I used in my old broken save.

There were a few CC files I ditched simply because I wasn't using the items in them much and I was redoing my mods folder anyway, so I cleaned them out. Pretty sure the CC ones I got rid of were just a few piercings, tattoos, and freckles packages. I did, however, get rid of several package files that added new traits to the game - I figure those count more as gameplay mods than CAS CC(?), but still worth mentioning. 

Idk, at this point I'm just really curious what we all have in common that might trigger this bug, if anything at all. 

@bubonickittenI have a TON of CAS cc, much less furniture - I'm comfortable removing the folder altogether because I try not to use custom content in my builds at all so I can upload them to the gallery more easily. I would have thought it would be a script mod too, but they seem to be fine? I only have ones like MCCC and UI Cheats (the latter of which I've seen gurus use during showcase streams as recently as Dream Home Decorator), but removing the files associated with these hasn't fixed the issue.

I have a lot of cc hairs, so I thought maybe having hairs that were incompatible with the new swatches might... somehow affect it (though having unique hairs with only one swatch has never caused any problems before)? But removing that folder didn't do anything either.

I'm not sure how we could compare, since I have so much CAS cc in my mods folder, but... I can try?

I do have a few careers that were buggy so I deleted those, and a few trait mods as well, but no more than 10 custom traits - I haven't actually tried removing the traits, but I guess that Could be a cause? I'm not sure.

@potatolv  Thinking about it now, might just be easier for me to list the ones I ditched? Since there really aren't that many, now that I'm comparing my old mods folder to my new one.

Here are the mods I used with my original broken save file, but am not using in the new (so far unbugged) save:

- PralineSims' DIY Eyebrow Piercing Set

- KisaFayd's Facial Scars

- a few of KisaFayd's tattoo packages (I still use some others)

- kellyhb5's Alien Eyes Overhaul (using their other alien eyes mod now)

- chingyu1023's More Traits mods

- Kuttoe's New Emotional Traits and New Hobby Traits mods

- r3m's UFO Hotspot Lot Trait

- cyclelegs' Faster Eating and Drinking

- GalaxyVic's Imaginative Trait

- AOM's Selectable Pets (this one includes a script mod)

- Spazmunki13's Hide or Reveal Pet Quirks

Do you see anything you recognize?

@bubonickittenUHHH, I know I have an eyebrow piercing mod, I wouldn't be surprised if it was that one, but I would be surprised if that was causing the issue... But I don't really recognize any of the others.

@im_JoelSFI did see plenty of people also saying they didn't use any mods, but using the exact same lot in HoB, AND the 50x40 lot, with or without wild foxes, I only have the issue with my mods turned on. It may be a certain type of item then, rather than specifically CC? Weird, either way...

I think this was dismissed a while ago, but I have never received the welcome wagon in HoB, but a friend of mine playing the new pack did get it without any issues, so I'm not sure this is a related issue.

@potatolv  Yeah I don't see how an eyebrow piercing CC would cause this bug. Huh. Oh well.

This is driving me bonkers, lol. Seems like there are some commonalities in the reports in this thread, but... so far, it doesn't seem like there's one single thing to point at as the cause, especially if there are people still encountering the issue without any mods/CC at all. I... kind of wish EA would say something about it? So far there are 60+ "me toos" in this thread, so... not exactly a rare report, as far as game-breaking bugs go. I know there was an EA support post upthread asking for mod/CC-free saves for testing purposes. My broken save initially used mods/CC, so I didn't submit my save file. I wonder if anyone else submitted one for them to look at?

As far as foxes, I see them running up to my lots and then disappearing.  I really think this has something to do with the foxes.  I have removed all of the wild fox traits.  I can't tell if anything is fixed because I don't have MCC to remove the households.  Also I am still getting an error from better exceptions that appears to be EA related.  Today I saw a TON of mushrooms spawn by the ruins in Henford.  I mean it looked like an unusual amount like a cluster of 14 to pick I would say.  I really think there is something going with the world settings.