@keljopy People having the romance thing are Sims with the loyal trait (although I stopped reading insulting thread a while ago so can't say if people are posting there in the wrong thread).
You still didn't give any of the the loyal trait, right ?
There's also this older thread from 2018: https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/NEEDS-INPUT-Sims-flirt-with-everything-autonomous/m-p/7182105 so it's something that gets reported on/off.
I added my "me too" though I'm not sure it's a "bug". The autonomous flirting has always been an issue in my game. Regardless, like others who've posted here, I would like the flirting to be toned down. It is excessive and just made worse since sentiments were introduced.
It would be great if...
... conversation interactions excluded flirting for played sims (only available to select manually if desired, especially when game autonomy is switched off).
... conversation interactions excluded flirting by NPCs when sims are in a romantic relationship (unless those sims' relationships include romance or sims have the player trait).
... sims in a romantic relationship rejected flirty interactions (unless the sims' relationships include romance or sims have the player trait).
... there was an option to disable sentiments completely (the flirty moodlets from romantic sentiments are out of control; plus sentiments in general are the bane of my gameplay).
Jeg er enig i den overdrevne flirte ri. Jeg har ligeledes altid haft problemet i mit spil. (Har spillet sims4 siden det udkom.) For længe siden havde jeg en episode (juleaften) manden var pludselig i saunaen med sviger faderen, vupti - fuld romantik. Ødelagt familie. Jeg lukkede spillet ned uden at gemme. Flere spildte spilletimer. Sauna har ikke været i mit hus siden. Dengang havde jeg ikke en juleaften med bedsteforældre på besøg uden en evindelig flirte ri, og serenadesang. Samme flirten også i forhold til børn.
Nuværende er jeg begyndt at afstille deres romantiske interesse inde i LES. Kun interesseret i Juhuu. Når begge parter har de efterfølgende kun 2 interaktioner i romantik. Herefter kan jeg vælge at blive juhuu partnere. Der giver et helt uromantisk, men kærligt forhold. Der kan også vælges "få et barn". Så de kan altså blive forældre. Jeg gør dem til ægtefæller i LES.
Altså ikke flere romantiske bryllupper hos mig.
ALLIGEVEL, selv om bedsteforældre, venner og sågar rancharbejderen har samme indstilling, så hænder det fortsat at de kommer til huset, top romantiske. I vores danske forhold, ville de - i samværet med mine børn - straks blive anholdt for pædofili. Min teenagerdatter blev udsat for en meget kort henvendelse fra en ukendt teenager, der "pustede hjerter" i hovedet på hende, og vupti, havde de fuld romantik. Dette på trods af, at hun ikke var tiltrukket af piger.
Selv om denne indstilling stort set fjerner den daglige flirten, så er den åbenbart så vigtig en del af EA' indstilling til sex/kærlighed, at den ikke kan fjernes. Jeg er fuld af undren, og foragt overfor denne holdning.
Jeg ved der er børn ned til 11-12 års alderen der spiller SIMS. Jeg forstår ikke det ikke bliver stoppet.
Jeg følger opfordringen, her på engelsk.
I agree with the excessive flirting. I have always had the problem in my game as well. (Played sims4 since it came out.) A long time ago I had an episode (Christmas Eve) the husband was suddenly in the sauna with the father-in-law, whoops - full romance. Broken family. I closed the game without saving. More wasted gaming hours. Sauna has not been in my house since. Back then, I didn't have a Christmas Eve with visiting grandparents without constant flirting and serenading. The same flirtation also in relation to children. Currently, I'm starting to settle their romantic interest inside the LES. Only interested in Juhuu. When both parties subsequently have only 2 interactions in romance. After this, I can choose to become juhuu partners. That makes for a completely unromantic, but loving relationship. You can also choose "have a child". So they can become parents. I make them spouses in LES. So no more romantic weddings for me. YET, even though grandparents, friends and even ranch hands have the same attitude, they still happen to come to the house, super romantic. In our Danish relationship, they - in the company of my children - would immediately be arrested for pedophilia. My teenage daughter was subjected to a very brief approach from an unknown teenager who "blow hearts" in her head and voupti, they had full romance. This despite the fact that she was not attracted to girls. While this setting pretty much removes the daily flirting, it's obviously such an important part of EA's approach to sex/love that it can't be removed. I am full of wonder and contempt for this attitude. I know there are children up to the age of 11-12 who play SIMS. I don't understand it not being stopped.
Ugh, yes! It's super annoying. My married couple moved in, their neighbors Eliza and Bob Pancakes came in the welcome wagon and at no time at all my sim was autonomously flirting with Bob in front of Eliza and her own husband! Like for one second when I don't babysit their conversation, they flirt and suddenly the spouses are super hurt and angry and have negative sentiments and it's all so so annoying as I didn't intend any of it at all. Makes simple conversations with taken sims so difficult! And this is a relatively new bug for me, I haven't had this problem always.
I've done some testing on this at the weekend and I picked Sims I've created before in previous games. I'd created the wife already in this game as a married character on a break from her husband and wearing a wedding ring, then I added her husband later and will add their children next. (She has a huge family so they are added in batches).
Anyway I edited her Likes to say that she disliked Flirty Interactions and Romance Enthusiasts. I created him with the same Dislikes but also added the Unflirty Trait for him.
I noticed that this stopped conversations from becoming Flirty and stopped the flirty moodlets. But it did not stop the flirty interactions, even with my babysitting the queue they still kept popping up. She was blowing kisses for example and he was getting very upset and this resulted in the conversation becoming Awkward. He then got the Hurt sentiment towards her. I found it helped to get him to share insecurities. But in another conversation he autonomously stood up and attempted a Mistletoe Kiss, which clearly makes no sense.
So Unflirty doesn't stop the flirty interactions unfortunately although it should, it just makes the Unflirty Sim upset and makes everything awkward. There's a massive link here IMO with autonomy being really broken. Not only do they say things that are not in keeping with their personality, but it happens much more frequently than it should. It really does mean you can't turn away from their chats, autonomous chat will even replace actions that I've queued. To get the Unflirty trait to be of use, it would take a lot of micro managing discussion queues.
If autonomy off was definite and effective I think it would be the biggest help here. Also these Sims and the Sim I've added images of in my earlier post, they've all been created before. So I can see the difference in them now as opposed to in 2018 in the case of the flirty mother I added a while ago. The flirting to these levels and with this amount of autonomy is definitely worse now than it has been.
Jeg kan se at dine simmere har den røde flirte-streg, det skal du forhindre. De skal fra starten være indstillet begge to, til ingen flirt, kun juhuu interesser. Så kan du under romantik spørge om, juhuu interesser og romantiske interesser. Når de begge to kender det, om hinanden, kan du (jeg tror det er under omsorg) spørge om at blive juhuu partnere. Derefter gifter jeg dem i CAS, og der er aldrig romantiske interaktioner mellem dem. Du kan sætte deres forhold til at være tæt, de får da et fantastisk varmt og kærligt forhold. Kan dyrke juhuu, uden at involvere resten af verden med romantik. Du kan herefter under romantik se et felt med "fysisk intimitet" her kan du vælge at få et barn. De kan altså få børn helt på vanlig vis.
Men hvis du ikke spiller med dem mere, måske bedsteforældre der kommer på besøg, ja så ophæves denne indstilling åbenbart, og de kommer * flirtende på besøg. Så har jeg muligheden for at sende dem hjem. Dette her har holdt flørterier mellem mine simmere væk. Men stadig kan de i et ubevogtet øjeblik se romantikkanalen på TV, så er de flirtende. Det fortæller lidt om, hvor stærk denne "tvangsfølelse" er fra EAs side.
I'm testing this currently on a couple with no romance likes or dislikes, no romantic traits or anti romance traits, no loyal trait or romance aspirations. They're just a regular couple but they won't be having children.
I just want to test it to get the scale of the problem with the autonomous flirting and see what I can do in the game to mitigate the effects so that they can socialise with others. It's impossible. I cannot calm these two down enough to let them even have family over. I designed the lot with seating at the front of the house and a huge porch/bridge so they can chat with people without being near each other because if they've interacted or been in the house together before meeting others I can't let them chat with anyone else. They're too flirty. I had to get them to elope as I couldn't have a wedding for them. With another couple I might have risked it but this is my central family.
I sent them to a science park to collect prints from the observatory/microscope and I've had to change the lot type so that it doesn't get other visitors because they are so flirty and autonomous conversations keep popping up with random Sims. They get more and more flirty just using the park equipment without even interacting. They just have to be in the same space or have to have spoken to each other. I'm letting his conversation meter drop until he's lonely (she has the Needs No-one trait) but he's still flirty until it drops to zero and he becomes sad.
I've played this couple in my previous save games and they are part of a huge family with whom they would regularly socialise, this problem is definitely worse this year.
After exhaustive testing I've found that repeated Cold showers are not working at all, just like Unflirty isn't working and just as the romance dislikes are not working either (as I previously mentioned).
I hope this info is useful in reaching a solution for the problem.
Edit: my Unflirty Sim woke up Flirty (see attached). He also still has the Feeling Hurt by another Sim moodlet after all of the awkward conversations with his wife. Whenever she is near he gets that feeling. She constantly has to do Smooth Apology. But he has the same boosting +Flirty moodlet as his overly flirty brother in law and it may be useful in fixing the problem. They both get the Milestones moodlets when they are Flirty. So I think Growing Together may be causing it because I seem to recall that Milestones arrived with Growing Together or the associated patch. Just a thought 🤔.
After adding For Rent I've had a Sim get a Romantic Interest just walking down the street. A friend spoke to her as she was leaving the night market and before I knew it he gave her a rose from nowhere and she autonomously held his hands. Then romantic interactions popped up one after another. She wasn't in a Flirty mood. I wasn't too happy about it but her personality is super nice and friendly and I decided to add him to the game, update his look and career and get him a flat since he has a nice personality too. I just thought I give up!
@AnammagaLet me put your mind at rest this is definitely an official forum. We're now on an official bug report thread that is monitored. Here, they collect as much info as possible on our different systems and our owned content so they can replicate that and find solutions and causes.
I've tested all the problems you mentioned (just as a fellow player) and I got the same results as you on Xbox series X. I can't find anything to tone it down, other than having couples socialise apart. If they socialise together they flirt.
So now we've given as much info as we can, we see if we get a mention on a Laundry List of upcoming fixes. When that's released it will be at the top of the list on Sims 4/Bug Reports. It's an indicator of future game patches/updates.
It's going to be a tricky one to fix though so if it's possible it may be some time. Sometimes players can figure out a workaround while we wait but nothing seems to be helping in this case unfortunately. Just keeping them apart, I wish there was something else but even cold showers don't work.
I think it's single household Sims for me for a little while after this. If you're celebrating I wish you happy holidays!
Edit: Happy birthday!!🎁
@simsplayer818Good to know they will try to fix it, I have been playing Sims for years and this bug is very uncomfortable to me. The solution for now is to hide the romantic menu and watch them close, just in case. I would like the game to give us the possibility, to hide romantic interactions, I think it would be easy for them. And yes, I'm celebrating my birthday today and also Christmas after midnight. Happy holidays to you too!
Dec, 24th: Thank you! ♥
