Re: Esports drivers quitting competative and the cheating allegations fiasco
@v8u5jco54ukpYour timing is impeccable. I’ve been looking for cheat related threads to pass up the almighty ladder
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@ScarDuck14 Wowzers, that Bahrain bug is absurd. Somebody has me on ignore but I'd be interested on their take on all of it.
- @TotosHeadphones It isn’t me
Haha, not you. Anyway, that's by the by.
The only positive in all of that is Alvaro Carreton's tweet about working with Codemasters/EA to try to improve the situation:
Álvaro Carretón on Twitter: "https://t.co/qqY1H87qe9" / Twitter
Just from Jarno video yesterday you could quite clearly see and hear just how angry he is. Which from every video I’ve seen off his it way out off character
Because of the videos on the cheat controversy that I’ve been watching. One of the videos popped up was the wiggle that killed tarkov. Despite never playing the game and never will. I liked the title and watched it. Now I’ve got myself properly engrossed in that controversy.
carry on 😁
- @ScarDuck14 Yeah i agree. I agree with a point that TRL Limitless made in that these ESports events should really be LAN events on set PC’s rather than using their own equipment.
- @Cpayne32 Every sport has independent adjudicators that scrutinise every surrounding whichever sport. If E-Sports wants to be taken seriously as a sport it needs to do the same
- @ScarDuck14 Yeah I absolutely agree. It’s why i don’t overall interact with ESports too much
@Cpayne32Funny enough when it comes to E-Sports I usually just watch Jarnos and Jakes highlight videos. But since this has been blowing up I’ve starting watching the live streams. 🤣 Bas press is Better than no press
- @ScarDuck14 Yeah definitely. Im just waiting for the next person to make a new allegation. Think i need some popcorn
@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:The only positive in all of that is Alvaro Carreton's tweet about working with Codemasters/EA to try to improve the situation:
Álvaro Carretón on Twitter: "https://t.co/qqY1H87qe9" / Twitter
I've rewatched his video in the tweet; has he said that because it was on his hard drive or is he really helping Codemasters?
Edit: Just read Opmeer's reply, all good.
There is an easy fix to all this......have a Lan Invitational!
Williams has the facilities as do most of the teams to do this.
Esport teams fly the players anyone who doesn't show up autoban from Esports!
Problem solved!
- @TotosHeadphones That's what it seems:
- He accidentally showed the files on his streaming and made that red hand red face reaction;
- He came out saying he got those because he was collaborating with Codies to sort things out with this cheat;
- He got called because apparently even if he was indeed in a collab he should not have that cheat running on that particular session.
I love myself some hot topic and hot news... But the more we dig on it the more kids show up. We've got a fair number of young guns and young talent on F1, but at least they act the part with professionalism and you'll don't see Piastri, Sargeant, or Norris popping up out of place. Here though, not so much. It does feel like I stepped into a high school yard during recess.
It is not a bad thing to see the likes of Opmeer and other likeable players stepping away until it gets all sorted out. - @BadMayh3m Not sure Williams is the team to do it after the other E-Sports controversy that surrounds them.
@BadMayh3m wrote:There is an easy fix to all this......have a Lan Invitational!
Williams has the facilities as do most of the teams to do this.
Esport teams fly the players anyone who doesn't show up autoban from Esports!
Problem solved!
The next official eSports should definitely be over LAN but that in itself doesn't solve the wider problem for the much larger number of regular players who want to race online. The wider issue needs an improvement to how the game operates to prevent prevent cheating. On PC anyway.
- @ScarDuck14 I did say others have the facilities too and I just mention Williams 1st cause they have been advertising their place lately.
- @Ultrasonic_77 at the beginning of F22 I asked for the option to have JUST consoles to play crossplay together without PC players just for this reason.
Or just put the cheats in the game.
I personally dont think anti cheats will work in the long run as they'll slow em down at the best. @Ultrasonic_77 Yeah as multiplayer/league racing etc isn’t really my wheelhouse I’d love to hear more feedback from those who do. Be interested to hear more on what . @v8u5jco54ukp as the op has to see he appears to be all over it
@BadMayh3m wrote:
I personally dont think anti cheats will work in the long run as they'll slow em down at the best.I don't know enough about how this area to be confident but I think there are two aspects here. Firstly, if everyone knows that cheats are freely available and used then it has a negative effect in terms of more people likely seeing their use as acceptable. EA actively making this harder and importantly being seen to do so would help with this in my view. Secondly, I vaguely wonder if for the online modes the core game physics parameters (like those that determine grip) could all be loaded in from some network file into ram when a lobby is joined rather than relying on a locally stored file that can be modified?
@ScarDuck14 wrote:@Ultrasonic_77 Yeah as multiplayer/league racing etc isn’t really my wheelhouse I’d love to hear more feedback from those who do.
If you go away from leagues the basic multiplayer modes have a more fundamental issue than cheating in that the process of actually getting into races is so hit and miss. Give it a try some time if you genuinely never have. I did actually very quickly see if I could get into a beginner friendly lobby just before I switched my game off last night, but gave up after 2-3 of minutes sitting in a lobby that looked like it was going nowhere fast. I think it was showing loads of players who had just finished a race but I'm not totally sure, and whatever every driver just had a spinning loading icon next to their name but with no sign of progress.
The only online racing I actually do is the weekly events when they're races as these I can at least reliably get into. I do wish they'd keep the weekly event races in sync with the real F1 calendar though. This week there is a weekly event race in Jeddah but is would make so much more sense if this was next weekend instead!
- @Ultrasonic_77 I don’t need to… I have you 😍
Well, I do not play online but if you cannot even trust the eSports drivers... Houston we have a problem!
Besides also Time Trial, which is the "skill ranking" of each driver (with all the faults you want), is affected.
Even if my main hopes for improvement are always on the offline (AI, handling), I strongly hope in a working anti-cheat in F1 23 for the whole community credibility.
Nuv
i stopped watching esports since i noticed it's for kids since the lobby is not full elite. then now let's find out the cheats of 20% ers more grip less wear more speed among other things it really seems that these are born from esports members patch. there is also that most of the children who participate in this competition want to win even in a dishonest way all the rest is bar talk. disappointed in them by codemaster and by the fia which does not extend the license leaving the monopoly.
@Nellix82 wrote:i stopped watching esports since i noticed it's for kids since the lobby is not full elite. then now let's find out the cheats of 20% ers more grip less wear more speed among other things it really seems that these are born from esports members patch. there is also that most of the children who participate in this competition want to win even in a dishonest way all the rest is bar talk. disappointed in them by codemaster and by the fia which does not extend the license leaving the monopoly.
Hmmm... that's rather patronising and ageist to be honest. Jake Benham is about a third of my age but would utterly thrash me in any race. Being younger does not stop someone being elite*. This is totally unrelated to wanting all competition to be fair.
*Sadly being better than me doesn't qualify someone as elite either but that's down to my lack of talent and practice!
