What I don't understand is the logic by which you lose the puck to the stick clipping through players. Sometimes that knocks the puck off and sometimes it doesn't. I'm trying to find the consistency in this mechanic and I've failed so far. When I'm defending, I try to clip through the opponent's stick and it works a lot of the time, except when it doesn't, and reviewing various instances of this has left me confused.
The only logical conclusion I can come to is that clipping through a player's stick greatly increases the likelihood of knocking the puck off that player's stick, but whether that does occur is ultimately determined by the attributes. So it's a combination of clipping through the stick and both players' attributes that determine whether the puck gets knocked off the stick. Can a developer confirm this?
Some may disagree, but I honestly think EA has stick checking as good as it’s been in years as far as punishment for the spammers, and reward for the actual skilled Dmen, there’s finally a nice skill gap.
There is such a noticeable difference now between D that know what they are doing, and ones who have been carried by the fact they could poke spam with no penalty in previous years. That being said, I honestly think penalties need to be bumped up a bit when poking from the side or behind players, because tripping penalties have been almost non existent so far, and I’ve even found myself in situations where I should have taken a tripping penalty but didn’t.
Stick lifts are another skill gap thing, I have had pretty good success with them without taking penalties, but I usually mainly use them in situations where I’m in a foot race and stick lift them last second before they get the puck, as opposed to stick lifting when they already have possession.
I think some people who don’t like it, need to realize that this is a big skill level change to playing D, and one that was actually needed and it’s going to take time for people to readjust to it. 2-3 months down the road, I think people will appreciate it more and will be better for the overall gameplay.
The main thing that’s concerning to me is that most players haven’t unlocked truculence yet, and when they do, it will be in full force because it’s far easier to just use truculence rather than play a stick checking style that requires more skill now, when you can just get full hit assistance from truculence and not worry about it. I really think truculence was the worst addition that’s ever been made into the NHL series and the fact it’s still brokenly OP after all the complaints last year, and instead of nerfing it, they nerf stick checking instead??? It’s mind blowing the people running the show making the decisions for this franchise
Honestly close quarters is so far from the OP trait now it’s not even close. I used close quarters on nearly every build in 22, and have taken it off completely in 23. Unstoppable force is OP beyond belief now, Truculence still remains brokenly strong in 3v3. Elite edges is even better than last year now as well. Close quarters isn’t needed what so ever being that breakaways and penalty shots have the easiest guaranteed glitch goal now that goes in every time without it anyways.
I’ve been complaining about L2 spam for years as well, admittedly I use it and can use it extremely well, but I think it’s bad for the game overall. Them removing the great vision control we used to have and replacing it with backwards skating was a huge blow to the series. I also think that it’s beyond annoying when you poke the puck off a forward and they immediately pick it up and keep trucking like nothing happened. There needs to be more benefit given to the defender when making a play that gives them more of the advantage to gain possession of the puck rather than the forward. Look at the ability “Yoink”, it says when you stick lift a player, it causes them to take longer to regain possession or something along those lines… that’s the way it should be all the time… this would give a benefit to the Dman that just made the play by giving them the higher RNG chance of gaining possession before the forward regains it
@TITAN_NHL I only play 6s so I can't speak to those traits in 3s especially against an AI goalie. Also I haven't unlocked Truculence yet but if it's similar to 22, I believe you that it's totally OP. What Close Quarters though still seems to do, just like in 22, is that it breaks the consistency where the forward will sometimes manage a shot on net at the back post even if you pretty much do everything right as a defenseman. So you could get both body and stick contact on them and it doesn't always matter just because Close Quarters boosts the shooting animation so much. It's a case of rewarding a bad play (a forced pass to a player who's clearly covered) and failing to reward the defenseman who covered his opponent very well.
I agree with you overall, though. And like I said, I'm glad 23 requires defensemen to be smarter and punishes bad positioning more strictly. That's how it should be.
Ah ya if you’re talking purely 6s then I’d definitely agree close quarters is great with human goalies. Computer goalies I find almost no benefit in 23 having it when compared to 22. The goalie on my club is inconsistent with his playtimes so half our 6s games are just 5s with an AI goalie so I just stick with elite edges on a playmaker mainly
In 3s I run a power forward with truculence and it’s almost been unfair with how OP it is. The amount of hit assistance you get is unreal, you can just hold up on the right stick and the assistance will just track the opponent for you to the point you don’t even actually need to line up the hit, and no matter what move they make the game auto corrects your position to get the hit.
How EA doesn’t understand how metas are created is mind blowing. In 3s, you can’t get any body checking penalties outside of interference… boarding, charging, elbowing don’t exist in 3s, yet all the stick checking penalties still exist, that alone is enough for the meta of truculence considering a penalty is a guaranteed goal against with a penalty shot with how easy they go in. Now add in them making stick checking harder in 23, but leaving truculence as easy as it is… that develops the meta more…. Now add in the fact that holding out the defensive skill stick, or poking slows you down, yet you can hold up on the right stick going for a body check with no movement impairing effects… even more of a meta on top of it now… like these guys developing this are delusional.
Literally all they need to do is add the same slow down penalty for mistiming your hits as you do with poking, and add body checking penalties into 3s, since the stick checking one’s are still in there, and you have a balanced 3s at that point. I mean, in the NHL once it goes to 3v3 OT, are they allowed to just charge guys, and board them from behind with no penalty? Why this decision was made to not have these penalties is beyond my comprehension
Quit making new threads about Stick Lift when one already exists here.
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