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Then by all means do leave. The game has 25M players. We are not going to be without players. If you cannot invest time to learn the game then play the game the way it is and up to your abilities. I am 33 work full time and have a family but even i have time to play at least 2 hours a day. I am not great but i have done my research and i practice. Every day i get a little bit better.
I do not expect to win. Like i said, people expect to win every match. This is not how BR games work. You will lose the majority of your games and maybe just maybe win some games.
Also sorry to dissapoint you OW kids but no BR game out there has a skill based matchmaking and this is not going to be the one that attempts it. Better pick GOATS and have fun in OW.
You keep saying you are pitted against the best of the best. First of all there are few best of the best people. Then there are people that have been palying BR games since BR was a thing, those people will stomp you and everyone else all day long. Why? They have put the time and the work to learn how to play this type of game. For the last time this is not OW. You do not have to engage in every fight and you do not have to shoot at every opponent you see. Pick your fights and the fights locations so you have the upper hand. Use cover, bait the opponents use grenades and your abilities. Most importantly never engadge alone in a fight.
@Karsot Yeah, cool story bro. You said it's a competitive game first. Do you know ANY kind of competitive game where complete beginners and champions and all the raffle in the middle are thrown into the same pool of players? Any? Why do we have different divisions in every single sport? Just have everyone play against everyone, some middle school football team against the patriots and some 40 year old dads who only do it in their free time against the Eagles, git gud scrubs lol. I'm sure they'll get better by getting completely destroyed with no chance of any tactics they might have to actually work because of the sheer difference in skill.
You can use cover and pick your fights as much as you want, at some point the ring is tiny, there's barely any cover left and then the team of people who have played shooters since Unreal came out and killed half the server by themselves and got all the loot will go in raw with no lube against the team that picked their fights, that's fact. And you think that's okay because "it's BR, you're not gonna win every game lol". And everyone knows there's nothing better for improving your skill in a SHOOTING GAME than dying in 2 seconds and barely being able to shoot in any given round. If in an hour of playing you have 30 seconds of shooting, how much better do you expect to become at shooting?
The way it is now, the average player will win no games at all unless he has luck with the other players in the round not including someone with ridiculous K/D. Which is almost never. I could start counting how often "introducing your champion" doesn't have a team of people with more kills than my team combined. There won't be much to count. And even if it is a team with no such person, you don't know who the champion was teamed up with last game if they're not a full squad. You have a better chance of winning by playing alone and hoping you get a random who is ridiculously good in your team than by trying to get better, and how long do you think those normal players will want to try and improve if it never bares fruit? Another few weeks? How many of the 25M players will be left do you think? How many have already left?
- 7 years ago
This is a game not a sport. All BR games are competitive and do not have divisions.
PUBG has a rating system that is not skill based MM either. Just approximation to the rating of the current squad leader. In other words, a noob can be appointed leader of a squad and you will be fighting against noobs even if you are Shroud.
Moving on now. If you die in 2 seconds then you are obviously doing something wrong. Check were you land, learn to hear what is going on around you and learn the areas that offer better quality loot as well as flank areas. On top of that maybe learn how shoot in the practice range ,since we have one and you can practice at different ranges will all weapons, with both static and moving targets. People that have been playing FPS games and BR games longer than you will beat you up always, until you get on their level.
People that have better degrees than you get a better paying job than you and drive a more expensive car than you. This is how everything in life works. Get better and you can beat them.
Also let's assume that they indeed implement that. The top palyers will have to wait for a very long time to get into a match. The low skill players will also have to wait a long time and the only players that will be able to find matches fast are the mediocre players. Why? Because bell curve and math.
On top of that what about trolls and throwers? Let's assume we found a solution for all of the above problems. This is a team game if we put together players we expect them to work together. Now if your team is bad it was 0 effect on you. You just queue up for next game and hope to do better. If you get trolls thought and we implement your moronic suggestions and you lose you will lose rating. Eventually you might drop division or even get trapped at the lowest ranks where people will 100% troll.
Now do you get why this is not going to be implemented in a BR game?
- 7 years ago
@Karsot
1)"Queues will be too long" -> BS. 25 million players there will ALWAYS be people to play against regardless of your rank. That's like saying bronze players and challenger players in LoL have ridiculously long queues and fight always against the same people. False.
2)"smurfing issue" is a non argument as well. Look at F2P games such as LoL. Smurfing is a thing yes but it's FAR from being a significant issue. After a couple of rounds, his "rank" will push him to play against people of his similar skill lvl so even if he's lvl 5, if he plays like shroud, he will be put against players as good as him.
3)
One minute you say it's a game, not a sport and then later compare the game to IRL, jobs and salary. Your arguments make no sense and sometimes even go against one another. People that play games casually will not want to play against sweaty nolifers or 12h/day streamers. It's not a sport, competition nor a job for them, they simply want a fair and balanced game.
4)Trolls and throwers will happen regardless of if there's a ranking/matchmaking system or not. If you get a troll you can simply leave the game and start a new one.
5)Being stuck in "ELO" hell isn't a thing, it's an excuse. You also can always play with (good) friends and win rounds after rounds if you are "stuck" in a skill tier so low that it's only trolls and throwers. News flash, it won't be a thing.
P.S.: If you want to be taken seriously and not as a joke/troll, stop being so immature that you call people that disagree with you "OW kids". It makes you lose all the credibility you had to begin with even though it was already quite low.
- 7 years ago
1) 25M players yet there is one dizzy and one shroud. Did not see anyone else around that level. Pretty certain you need more than 2 players for the match to happen.
2) Smurf issue is a huge issue. Currently has destroyed OW and a ton of other games that have not implemented double verification system. The only game that has no problem with it is CSGO exactly because it uses double verification method that ties the account to a cellphone number.
3) It is a game. It is a job. Very clear arguments. No matter how much you cry better people than you will be better until you manage to become better than them.
4) Trolls and throwers happen but right not DO NOT AFFECT YOUR RATING. It is a very clear concept to grab.
5) ELO hell is a thing that is why people in OW have 3-4 accounts each so that they can boost one account to top. If you want you can have a go at those forums and have a read. Why? Because it is a team game hence your team might bring you down. Also you are saying ELO hell does not exist with a straight face? Pretty certain Tyler1 was stuck for 2 seasons in ELO hell in LOL and timthetatman was stuck in below 4k ratinf in OW season 2 (later he went full premade team and they boosted him). DOTA does not have ELO hell because they have the best current working algorythm that takes into account individual skill more than other algorythms currently used in the industry. But in DOTA2 you can solo carry and win. In here it is very tough to do that unless you are extremely skilled.
- 6 years ago
@Karsot wrote:This is a game not a sport. All BR games are competitive and do not have divisions.
PUBG has a rating system that is not skill based MM either. Just approximation to the rating of the current squad leader. In other words, a noob can be appointed leader of a squad and you will be fighting against noobs even if you are Shroud.
Moving on now. If you die in 2 seconds then you are obviously doing something wrong. Check were you land, learn to hear what is going on around you and learn the areas that offer better quality loot as well as flank areas. On top of that maybe learn how shoot in the practice range ,since we have one and you can practice at different ranges will all weapons, with both static and moving targets. People that have been playing FPS games and BR games longer than you will beat you up always, until you get on their level.
People that have better degrees than you get a better paying job than you and drive a more expensive car than you. This is how everything in life works. Get better and you can beat them.
Also let's assume that they indeed implement that. The top palyers will have to wait for a very long time to get into a match. The low skill players will also have to wait a long time and the only players that will be able to find matches fast are the mediocre players. Why? Because bell curve and math.
On top of that what about trolls and throwers? Let's assume we found a solution for all of the above problems. This is a team game if we put together players we expect them to work together. Now if your team is bad it was 0 effect on you. You just queue up for next game and hope to do better. If you get trolls thought and we implement your moronic suggestions and you lose you will lose rating. Eventually you might drop division or even get trapped at the lowest ranks where people will 100% troll.
Now do you get why this is not going to be implemented in a BR game?
LMAO, I didn't read past the first lines. first of all, Their FAQ says https://pubg.gamepedia.com/Frequently_Asked_Questions_(FAQ) the method they use is an ELO, not a rating based on any stats. And the exact method they use is secret "alot of is behind closed doors".
So what research have you done bud? Because only people that work for the company know exactly how they match players. Now I have never played PUBG. But I do know people that have that have told me after they implemented their form of MMR< they were never grouped with people on the lvl of DrDisrespect as an avg or below avg player again. The matches got more competitive in their opinion.
Also the game has a solo queue to even better rank players. Furthermore, after many games played a players ELO averages out. Not only that, Even if it is based on squad leader as you say it is, then so what? That squad leader is put in a squad of people, and a server with similar MMR.
So again, TLDR...- 6 years ago
Also it seems PUBG did a real lazy mmr, and even that was helpful. I think respawn could do an even better job then pubg did because their matchmaker in titanfall 2 is exceptional. They could take all stats into account. But of course this would cost money and hiring the right people to be done right. Too bad gaim theory went out of business cause noone ever takes this stuff serious enough.
But anything is better then nothing.
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