Thank you Respawn for the Shield fix :D
@apostolateofDOOM wrote:
@IDTAKEN192000Hyper Scape.
They also reduced ttk and there was an uproar, devs listened to their community so they put it back again and everyone lived happily ever after.
And still has lower TTK than Apex
@IDTAKEN192000Compared to most shooters it's very similar but you have a much faster pace in Hyper Scape meaning it's easier to evade, double + triple jump, slam, vertical aiming and a host of other things or abilities that prolong the fight, like wall and ball for example.
Apex has similar but nowhere near to that extent.
Point is, they listened to player feedback and whatever mine or your opinion is on the matter, the overwhelming majority were vocal in their frustration of the patch (on the forum, twitter and reddit ect..) but will we see it reverted back?
@apostolateofDOOM wrote:@IDTAKEN192000Compared to most shooters it's very similar but you have a much faster pace in Hyper Scape meaning it's easier to evade, double + triple jump, slam, vertical aiming and a host of other things or abilities that prolong the fight, like wall and ball for example.
Apex has similar but nowhere near to that extent.
Point is, they listened to player feedback and whatever mine or your opinion is on the matter, the overwhelming majority were vocal in their frustration of the patch (on the forum, twitter and reddit ect..) but will we see it reverted back?
Hopefully not because it's a bunch of people reacting to knee * reactions from content creators. Also the majority of the forum is a fraction of the actual playerbase. If the majority of forum criers thought permanent wall hacks would be a good idea does not make it so, especially if they are just following the words of a few.
@apostolateofDOOM wrote:
@IDTAKEN192000I shared my opinion and explained my reasons long before seeing any videos/posts from pros, content creators or other peoples opinions of any other kind both from friends or in the media.
If roughly 95% of your player base share similar views in the public domain it would be pretty naive to ignore it, unless there's an ulterior motive behind it of course.
Again, the tiny fraction on the forums is not a very good sample size for the actual player base.
What are your reasons? Miniscule changes to shields?
And what would the ulterior motive be exactly
ATM, servers refresh players every second, so we have a slide show. Red perf. icons flashing like christmas tree. Please improve servers, this has never been such a problem as is now.
@IDTAKEN192000 Combining twitter, facebook, reddit and this forum equates to tens of thousands of people. There have been news articles published covering the backlash and this forum might be miniscule in comparison but a lot have all said the same thing.
It's really not hard to guess given respawns past updates and i'll quote @hayhor as it'll save me typing.
''Say you are moving across an area. A noob is more likely to be hiding in wait to quickly jump someone going by. In the past, with more shield a higher skilled player might get shot a couple times but be able to duck to cover, heal a bit and then poke kill or rush the noob. The other scenario is if two people come together at the same time. The higher skilled will use cover to do poke shooting while the noob stands there firing. Now the higher skilled cant do that. It is now simply a who fires first game or one where you have to move about ultra carefully.
This is all especially true now that the guns have less recoil and can all be used.''
Basically, a newer or unskilled player now has a better chance of downing someone who has put hundreds, if not thousands, of hours in the game learning to improve. It reduces good players being rewarded in equivalent or lower skilled lobbies when they're doing well as SBMM is a complete wreck.
It's all about equal outcomes, not opportunities and the reduction of the skill gap that players have been complaining about but respawn have been pushing for several seasons now. As such those that are at the bottom will do better, have a higher retention and likely to play and spend more. They have reduced the aggressive playstyle that made Apex stand out and are slowly transforming it into Valorant style gameplay where mobility isn't key but positioning is of higher priority thus reducing the fun and one of the highly acclaimed things this game once had.
The problem is further compounded by the fact that the servers, netcode and audio in this game are going from bad to worse to say the least.
And to that I ask, why are the skilled players in low skill servers? If you are diamond or plat you will not be facing bronze or silver.
And I never actually see anyone hide or camp unless they have been abandoned by thier team and are trying to solo it. Maybe you will in bronze.
Once you actually think about this argument a little is begins to fall apart pretty fast.
Design meeting between CEO, Design and QA for Season-6
CEO : I hear a lot of crying about 3rd party, what is the root cause and what can we do about it ?
Design : The battle went too long and 3rd team coming to wipe them out.
CEO : Make the battle short then. How to do that ?
Design : Easy peasy, reduce shield and make energy weapon GREAT again !
CEO : Let's do it, what are you waiting for ?
Design : Coding....
- change shield variable to -25
- Loot pool : Enable energy extended mag (removed "//" in front of the code))
- Loot pool : bring turbo charger (remove "//" in front of the code)
Done is few minutes, time to ask QA to try it out.
QA : Testing in firing range....all works as per spec....done.
but we're not sure what will be the experience in real game.
How about try it out as LTM ?
Design : LTM ? Hmm that means EXTRA WORKs ! ☹️
Nah, we already did what our CEO asking for...WHAT COULD GO WRONG ??
Easy to kill is good...people like to have a lot of kills !
Season 6 launch:
Community: What the F*** are you doing ? We're so easy to DIE !!!
CEO : What is happening guys ? What community crying again now ?
Design : Opss, we forget easy to kill means easy to die as well and they HATE it !
CEO : Damn it, how can you guys didn't warn me about obvious side effect ??
Design : We did what you asked for, now you blame us ?? blame the QA.
QA : Well, I warned already and ask for LTM but design rejected the idea......too much work. Not our fault.
CEO : So you're telling me, it's MY FAULT ??!!
To be continue .....
You can talk about skill gap all you want, the games RNG already makes skill a joke. Before a player with high level shields could stand in place with poor positioning and misd 25% of thier shots and still win because RNG. Idgaf who you are, if you land and have a Mozambique and a level one shield you are going down to the player ho landed next door with a level 4 and an R99.
The shield nerf, however minuscule it is, lessens the luck factor. The game will never be balanced because of what it is, a battle royal game with RNG.
As for the servers, I have not had very many issues, a hiccup here and there. It might be dependent on where the player is located and I'm sure needs to be fixed. And yes the sound issues can be god awful at times.
Sounds like excuses for dying but sure
@apostolateofDOOM wrote:
@IDTAKEN192000In diamond/pred lobbies (which i can tell you they do camp and hide) why should a pred die to a diamond or hard stuck plat just because they had first line of sight in an open world BR with constantly evolving rotations even though they are generally much better players?
Maybe you should give it some more thought because this isn't a small map TDM.
Yes, it's a large map with a closing circle. And you are in a team. Camping and hiding is not a very optimal way to play and the game design itself deincentivizes it. You could hide forbath long time and bot see absoul and eventually you will get caught out with very little in terms of loot. You will NEVER see players like that be successful even with an ever so slightly lowered TTK. The idea is laughable.
@apostolateofDOOM wrote:
@IDTAKEN192000If you're dropping hot and relying on RNG but more experienced matches you will try and drop reasonably safe with one maybe 2 teams to contest with in busier areas.
I haven't got a problem with us all starting with an evo so it evens out the luck factor but it's the reduction to the shields overall HP.
If you try and answer my previous post and actually gave it some thought you would see what i mean as it's clear as day.
Lmfao, dude I watch thier streams. They absolutely do drop hot.
And the shields 25 less hp (minuscule) is hardly noticable especially when you get to red.
@IDTAKEN192000 wrote:You can talk about skill gap all you want, the games RNG already makes skill a joke. Before a player with high level shields could stand in place with poor positioning and misd 25% of thier shots and still win because RNG. Idgaf who you are, if you land and have a Mozambique and a level one shield you are going down to the player ho landed next door with a level 4 and an R99.
The shield nerf, however minuscule it is, lessens the luck factor. The game will never be balanced because of what it is, a battle royal game with RNG.
As for the servers, I have not had very many issues, a hiccup here and there. It might be dependent on where the player is located and I'm sure needs to be fixed. And yes the sound issues can be god awful at times.
This made zero sense.
Firstable if you think RNG makes skill a joke, you know nothing of Apex Legends. Can you show us your profile, so we can see your stats and how really good you are? By your opinion, unless your trolling, which could be the case, you look like a bang average at best.
There is like 10 videos of Dizzy in a Solos mode(when the mode was available) and he won with a every single legends, but why i`m saying this ? He landed on the Gauntlet every single time and clean every single squad in there, without going for the purple in the middle, and most of the time going with a lot lesser weapons/armor against his opponents.
Also how exactly lowering the TTK change that, explain to us pls ?
You still could land on a white armor(and you will be worst than before - 25hp) and p2020, and i could land next to you with a purple shield and a Volt.
You understand how your opinion doesn`t even make a sense?
As far as the TTK. TTK was never high. It was pretty normal. At the end of the day, this is BR game, with a lot of time wasting on choosing legend, loading screen, drop, loot, heal and so on. If the TTK is low, the game doesn`t make a sense at all.
TTK may look high only for a complete potato aimer.
The TTK was perfect for the game. Why ? Simply because you got a primary weapon and a secondary. With the primary you are focusing on doing most of the damage and to finish with the secondary, as most people were doing. Unless your fighting from distance, which was the most fun/interesting par. Trading in a mid to long range fight was so strategic to when to push, when you break an armor or when you down an enemy, this fight was so interesting and strategic(it was up to you to make the right decision when to push and what to do if your teammate is down).
Now you can`t even react if someone comes from behind with zero audio, and if you are fighting someone else, aka:
Also i see you are talking there was no camping or no sense to do it, wow. Did you even ever watch how the pro scene goes?
With the introducing of Rampart, most of the squads are just camping on high building, and there is just zero skill in that.
@brakeit wrote:
@IDTAKEN192000 wrote:You can talk about skill gap all you want, the games RNG already makes skill a joke. Before a player with high level shields could stand in place with poor positioning and misd 25% of thier shots and still win because RNG. Idgaf who you are, if you land and have a Mozambique and a level one shield you are going down to the player ho landed next door with a level 4 and an R99.
The shield nerf, however minuscule it is, lessens the luck factor. The game will never be balanced because of what it is, a battle royal game with RNG.
As for the servers, I have not had very many issues, a hiccup here and there. It might be dependent on where the player is located and I'm sure needs to be fixed. And yes the sound issues can be god awful at times.
This made zero sense.
Firstable if you think RNG makes skill a joke, you know nothing of Apex Legends. Can you show us your profile, so we can see your stats and how really good you are? By your opinion, unless your trolling, which could be the case, you look like a bang average at best.
There is like 10 videos of Dizzy in a Solos mode(when the mode was available) and he won with a every single legends, but why i`m saying this ? He landed on the Gauntlet every single time and clean every single squad in there, without going for the purple in the middle, and most of the time going with a lot lesser weapons/armor against his opponents.
Also how exactly lowering the TTK change that, explain to us pls ?
You still could land on a white armor(and you will be worst than before - 25hp) and p2020, and i could land next to you with a purple shield and a Volt.
You understand how your opinion doesn`t even make a sense?
As far as the TTK. TTK was never high. It was pretty normal. At the end of the day, this is BR game, with a lot of time wasting on choosing legend, loading screen, drop, loot, heal and so on. If the TTK is low, the game doesn`t make a sense at all.
TTK may look high only for a complete potato aimer.
The TTK was perfect for the game. Why ? Simply because you got a primary weapon and a secondary. With the primary you are focusing on doing most of the damage and to finish with the secondary, as most people were doing. Unless your fighting from distance, which was the most fun/interesting par. Trading in a mid to long range fight was so strategic to when to push, when you break an armor or when you down an enemy, this fight was so interesting and strategic(it was up to you to make the right decision when to push and what to do if your teammate is down).
Now you can`t even react if someone comes from behind with zero audio, and if you are fighting someone else, aka:
Also i see you are talking there was no camping or no sense to do it, wow. Did you even ever watch how the pro scene goes?
With the introducing of Rampart, most of the squads are just camping on high building, and there is just zero skill in that.
Jfc another post that saysB..b...bu...but the pros.
They were good at the game before, they will be good at the game now. Compared to dizzy we all have potatoe aim, including you.
Again, can we have our own opinions instead of " this pro said this, this streamer said that"
Problem is not did they only decrease health they also buffed the guns. Who's idea was it to put a devotion in the game that is better than last patches devotion that was a random package drop makes no sense, well actually it does its to get more players to play the new character ^ ^
I remember hearing something last patch along the lines off the r99 was to powerful and needed nerfing. Obviously it didn't need nerfing it was powerful yes but still required a good aim to 1 clip someone, what's funny is the valk is way more powerful than the r99 was last patches and health has been decreased. To top it off they threw the r99 into the loot drop and it is far superior than even the devotion was last patch.
These developers made one heck of a game but between patches their logic just don't add up. Bit like how they tried to nerf wraith but ended up buffing her massively. Overall though once again still my favourite shooter nothing compares at the moment on console at least the smooth aiming on this game with the adjustable controller settings (that every other game needs to add) has literally made every other shooter unplayable for me.
And to be clear, I do not belive everything is fine. Many weapons do need to be toned down with these armor changes and I'm sure those changes will happen in time. People need to have some patience, there will be some growing pains after this update but I belive this will be better for the game in the long run. Let's have some faith people.
@IDTAKEN192000 wrote:
Jfc another post that says
B..b...bu...but the pros.
They were good at the game before, they will be good at the game now. Compared to dizzy we all have potatoe aim, including you.
Again, can we have our own opinions instead of " this pro said this, this streamer said that"
Opinion about TTK is one thing. If you like low TTK - okay. But making absolutely no sense statements its another.
You didn`t answer my question about the RNG, you know why, because you know i`m right and your wrong.
It change nothing.
Also i miss a point to make about 3rd partying. It change nothing in there as well. Actually it change, but only because Energy Weapons have zero audio(which is another bad thing), and people can`t hear you from 200meters away, which was always the main problem, not the TTK.
So lets ..... the game instead of fixing what the actual problem is.
Let me tell you something about the 3rd party now with lower TTK. Its way worst. Pure example: I`m dropping on SKYHOOK, a big place for a lot of teams to loot.
So we fight with 1 of the teams, of course i`m playing random and get potato temamates as usual. Anyway i`m finishing the last guy, but because of the low TTK, your insane low. The moment i open the box to loot and i`m dead.
Also another big problem with the current change and lower TTK is, that your leveling your Evo, but before you just swap armor from a box and move on, and that safe your *** million time during a 3rd party or another of their teammates come. Now you are just oh dear what should i do, should i swap my zero purple to a white or a blue EVO, with a zero damage on them, or should i lose 10 seconds of healing ?
Which leads me to another problem - healing. Now you literally waste most of your time healing. Because the moment someone see you and shoot you, your health is gone.
I never ever see people spend so much time on healing and poping so much phoenix kits.
Before most of the time your just recharging shields with either battery or cell, now for the same damage, you waste at least another 5 seconds on syringe or med pack.
How is that good ? If they want to nerf the TTK, they should remove certain ability and reduce the ability power + nerf the healing by increasing the time being consumed or so.
Right now you spend 1/10 of your team in fighting(main reason to play), and the rest goes on camping, ability spamming, healing, looting, crafting(another b.c., because its make you stationary and literally wasting your time) and so on.
Also the new TTK melt teams way faster and you will waste your time searching for a teams, and you got to do it a lot slower now, because you can get melted in a no time.
Apex Legends was always about the duels, now they are gone, which makes the whole experience meh.
I got no problem that you liked low TTK games, its a personal preferences, but make a valid points, because your chances on landing does not change.
You still can land on p2020 with white or no armor, and the other guy to get purple + Volt.
Also when 99% of the top playerbase said something its wrong, you got to believe something its wrong. A game is and should always be balanced at the highest possible level of play.
And now with the lower TTK, the competitive stage will become even more boring. Rampart and lower TTK will mean even more camping and taking way less risk now. Forget about aggressiveness play now.
One of the most interesting game i will always remember was at the ALGS from Alliance where there literally has no chance(i think to qualify on next phase) and they decide to play the last game with Caustic and be super aggressive and go for super aggressive playstyle and get a lot of kills in order to have a chance to get points. And they got something like 20+ kills and won the game, and move the next stage, which was literally insane.
Forget about such playstyle now.
As far as me i will always prefer higher TTK games, it just require more skill, not average aim and just a good reaction. Now i expect someone to say positioning, but positioning and get the first shot will always be a factor in a low TTK and high TTK games, so ...
Also hiding behind a law with a placement crosshair waiting for a target to move to one shot it, its not much of a skill, you know ...
Essentially from what I have seen, is that when Apex legends has reduced its TTK through its shield nerf it has simply compounded the problems that were already plaguing it, while possibly diluting a few of them... instead of being a quick fix like they might have envisioned within their board meetings. (Of course this does not apply to all problems as anyone can knit pick any individualized issue, but for the problems at large. Again, you can try to argue it, but it revolves around my main point once again.)
I'll take one thing that I know they were trying to reduce, which was 3rd partying. In concept you could see how a reduced TTK could reduce the chance of 3rd partying happening... but in practice I have observed that it has actually made the 3rd partying issue much worse.
Unfortunately I find that this season, unless they do revert the shield and TTK changes will be the last season of Apex I play, which is saddening as I've played since season 1. The core fundamentals of the game have been altered on a whim, and have only compounded the issues that this game had already dealt with within my opinion. They at the very least certainly won't get any of my money (but if catering to the new population of players is what they were going for, this unfortunately probably won't matter...)
Also, rip any chance of ever winning a 2v3 or a 1v3 anymore unless the enemy team are legitimately lobotomized.
You are not being one shot. You people are being so over dramatic. I'm not going to take you serious when you make such ridiculous claims. I'm done responding to this nonsense, your mind is made up by someone elses knee * reaction and you are too stubborn to think that person could be wrong.
@IDTAKEN192000 this is coming from the person who went off and responded to a lot of threads that criticized TTK and Season 6, frequently insulting or attacking other board members just for posting an opinion that differed from yours. Even on this post your second post is, and I quote:
"Cry more. You are bad, that has nothing to do with game balance."
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Season-6-Sucks/td-p/9419243
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/You-finally-did-it/td-p/9417320
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Well-this-is-fun/m-p/9419598#M102107
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Best-way-to-balance-TTK/td-p/9418843/page/3
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/First-Impressions/m-p/9418112#M101981
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Let-s-Talk-Crafting-again/td-p/9414108/page/2
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/I-don-t-even-wanna-play-season-6/td-p/9411187/page/2
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Are-you-serious-Apex/m-p/9416970#M101906
It's almost like, you're no better than the people you "can't take seriously", and you're also too stubborn to accept that people have valid criticism of how the devs have treated the game, TTK changes, and this season altogether.
@IDTAKEN192000Dude, your bait/trolling this entire time was 5/10 at best. Also, "I'm done responding to this nonsense," as if anybody asked you to keep responding, lol. People are stating good reasons and there are even charts already posted showing how much these changes impact the game. Go ahead, leave and let the playerbase voice their opinions on these drastic changes. You won't be missed, brother.
If the lower TTK was intended to reduce 3rd partying (of which, in 100 S6 games I don't see that it has) surely there were better solutions, such as restoring all players in a winning squad to full health (but not full shield) when the other squad was wiped out.
Personally, I am finding S6 a bit boring. In 50% of my games I am running around with my squad looting for five minutes and then bumping into other squads by accident more then design. If they get the first shot off or have a better gun than you, you do not have time to recover before you are downed. That's more luck than skill. In my best game yesterday I got second place but only because I found a Prowler and SF early doors. Most of the time I am running around with an RE45 which is good but hardly perfect. Two of my favourites 'good enough' guns - the Alternator and LSTAR - seem now to be pretty useless.
I much preferred longer fights. Timing engagement when your enemy has emptied a clip seems to have gone out of the window.
Towards the end of S5 I could string 5 or 6 10 minute+ games in a row. Now they seem to be a rarity. Even in ranked if you are teamed with players who still go gung-ho the game is over in a flash. In 100 S6 games I can remember winning one 1 v 2. Winning a 1 v 3 ... impossible.
Not a fan of S6 so far. I worked hard to 'git gud' and all that progress seems to be thrown out of the window.
@IDTAKEN192000 wrote:You are not being one shot. You people are being so over dramatic. I'm not going to take you serious when you make such ridiculous claims. I'm done responding to this nonsense, your mind is made up by someone elses knee * reaction and you are too stubborn to think that person could be wrong.
You didn`t answer to any of my points or question, which speaks for itself.
As far as one shooted i was talking about other low TTK games.
But now its pretty much the same, get melted in less than a second:
I guess you missed this clips ...
You can`t react that fast on a BR open world-map.
This ain`t a game with fixed objects, where you know from where your enemy is coming, from where he can peak, and with a good timing to almost always know from where he will come, and what can be thrown at you.
