This is just my opinion and I'm curious to see what others think. Mostly I hate 2042. The remix of controls was a horrible idea. Flight is on rails and so horrible, beyond horrible, that I want to just forget I ever touched it. Vehicle controls are all over the board! Which sick sadist decided to just scrap shooter controls for whatever this half baked scheme is?Bf4. The game is still popular, populated, controls are intuitive and smooth, gadget and gun customization was unparalleled (and it still is THE best of any large FPS) and it felt great. It gave you those chilling moments of magic, those fights that you could feel tipping the balance of a whole match on the edge of a knife. This just... doesn't. I've canceled my pre order, as has 3/4 of the squad we play with. It's just a shame they killed battlefield, it held on to its identity for longer than I thought possible, but as with most things it came to an end. And 2042 is that end.See you all on 4 friends, at least if you play rush!

@DrSobota and @Fringerunner ,Last night after yet another few painful games on the BF2042 Beta I booted up good old BF4, just to end the evening on a high.And damn, what a thrill it was!Kept going for hours, ton of fun with no ends to it.Such a delight, with great game flows, funny team work communications/situations, brilliant tank gaming and heli swiping of ground troops and the RPGs going the other way.Such a great game with contemporary weapons still these days!

BF2042 looks like another massive DICE-fail IMO.

Subjectively, i agree *right now*.I don't think 2042 isn't salvageable though nor that i can't surpass 4, but it does require some interesting choices by Dice between now and launch. (if they delay because they accept that specialist might not be what quite a few want and that it causes a lot of IFF confusion, I'd be fine with that delay for instance)For every FFXIV-style "we dun goofed, let's fix it" though, there's probably 10-20 that continue completely tone-deaf, but at the end of the day we'll see at launch.Fairly certain most people at Dice *want* the game to be successful, question is will design priorities end up making or breaking it or will someone just want something like the specialists so bad that they're hedging the franchise on it to an extent.BF is a pretty clearly established franchise with a solid-sized "loyal" following, and while i doubt anyone minds the odd experimentation, there's a few core things that have made it what it is.Removing that and making the replacement the core of the latest title might not have been the greatest idea, as shown by the IFF issues most people have in the beta.Again, we'll see, if anything "we" (the players/customers) can at least try to make our points for or against rational and "helpful" rather than just subjective rants.(not aimed at anyone so far in this thread btw, just something i can also see going wrong based on the last couple of days on the forums)I'm personally hoping they make a megathread here on the forums at the end of the beta so we can keep feedback and suggestions in one place to avoid good suggestions buried under an avalanche of similar/random threads and make it easier to see how many actually lean one way or another regarding specific gameplay/feature issues.Been said by others and myself in multiple threads across the forum already, but a quick "fix" would be slap in the old classes, recycle the skins for the 10 planned specialists and AI soldiers, make 3 separate visually distinct factions out of that pool of already assembled assets, and that would go a *long* way towards making the core of the game, aka the combat a lot more enjoyable and easy to "run" with.(ie; you could see who was running what on your team and make an estimated guess at what you could spawn as to help the squad, which is near impossible with the current system)Oh, and adding one non-rational suggestion, make sliding 3 times inside 15 seconds blow you up with the force of a tank shell.(or, just add a 30s cooldown to make it situational if we *have* to follow the rules i suggested myself)Oh yea, and add a velocity break when you touch the ground after using the grappling hook, because cracked bunnyhopping assaulters hasn't gotten out of hand at *all* in the last 12 hours.

Obviously 2042 aims to steal CoD and Apex players hence the gameplay feels like on constant 1.35x speed. Feels even faster to me than BFV. Squadplay is so bad with randoms bcs almost no one takes medic/ammo bags, so when you out of Rockets/C5s against vehicles, you can just kill yourself and redeploy, rockets feels weak anyway. Specialists is the laziest thing they could do, no classes means the worse teamwork than any previous game, no different team design so It wont ruin monetization of upcoming "cool" specialists.I am not talking about bugs, glitches and performance issues, I am talking about gameplay that feels too arcady to me, just spawn mf, run mf, shoot and die mf.Got back to play BF4 and BF1 and it is day and night compared to 2042. Canceled my preorder and will wait for reviews first and probably a big sale in a month after the release (if they dont delay it). I have high hopes that game will flop like bf5.

I personally needed to wash the taste of 2042 out of my mouth and used some bf4; the greatest modern shooter period. Everything about it feels like coming home.

Battlefield 4 is better than 2042.

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DrSobota
4 years ago
I appreciate your opinion, but I disagree. Battlefield 4 has held on through more than just a handful of game releases, including three battlefield games (hardline, one, and five). Historically yes, there is a huge influx of people to new games; but if those games fail to deliver or live up to standards set by their predecessors, it fails.
I am NOT saying that it'll die or even be stillborn, look at what a resounding success NO Man's Sky has become after suffering one of the worst releases and mass refunds I know of. But, all I've shared is my opinion, which is neither self-satisfaction or meant to be helpful. These are my thoughts on the game as it exists in our collective minds right now, not on how I wish it to be. So far the beta has been a flop, with most complaints focused on a handful of major issues to people.
Controls
Specialists
Lack of identity
Vehicle controls specifically
Limited gun customization
I've seen a few well written posts going into greater detail on these subjects, but it boils down to a major sticking point at the moment: it doesn't feel like battlefield. It's 'innovative new gameplay' is just battlefront meets warzone in bad ways. This isn't just my personally held opinion but a common theme of disappointed posts here, just shop around. I believe they can polish the game up and make it something very unique; but right now it's not worth the pre order. I'm a die hard halo nerd too, canceled that pre order because they're dropping the game incomplete and that's not OK in my opinion. No co-op campaign? I'll wait. Plenty of people are going to get it day one and I support them in that choice, but not me.
My self-satisfiying ending isn't me predicting that 2042 is going to die, but that we're hitting a point where the devs are having an identity crisis which will kill the 'traditional' battlefield feeling and focus. We have grappling hooks from apex, specialists from CoD, a healing pistol from Rainbox six, etc etc. Again, that's what it feels like to me, in my opinion. Others will not agree and hey, good! If we all had the same opinion and ideas we'd never get anywhere so I welcome new thoughts on the games, though I do ask that we keep to the subject of games instead of sniping at each other as people with name calling or derision.
Rootagator
4 years ago
I actually enjoyed the Beta. It was nice playing in a game where there are destructible environments and teamwork. I played with a family member, and we had a blast. It surprises me to see so many people saying BF4 was the greatest, but if I recall, when BF4 was out, people constantly complained about that game. In my opinion, BF2 was the best game. Since that time, I have enjoyed every BF game that has been released. While I am not a massive fan of the gameplay speed, It is not a breaking point for me. COD has never been my cup of tea and never will be. If you're canceling your pre-order because the Beta, one map, and small series of weapons, wasn't everything you desired in a 20-year marriage, then oh well, you'll never be happy. I was never a fan of DICE going to the dark side with EA, but I am still a loyal battlefield fan and will enjoy this version of the game as well.
Jesse165
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@KillerB3as wrote:
@IIPrest0nIIAgreed. People need to chill out. Y’all sound dumb as hell, talking about how you’re a ‘battlefield vet’ since whatever game (no one cares), but can’t appreciate the difference between a game that has been polished to a mirror shine over 7(ish) years vs a game that is still in development.
Finally !!!
I Completely Agree !!!
At least some here knows and accepts the truth 🙂
0ld_yell0w
4 years ago
BF4 was not "polished over 7 years" - it had a lot of patches in the first 2 years then they didnt care for it anymore - just like all other BF's and those to come.
The only thing added to BF4 was new maps (DLC's with new weapons too).
Telling people they sound dumb because they dont like the settings in the new BF makes you the winner of a donkey medal, I totally agree to not change things that
works - like key settings already implemented through other BF's - players would feel more at ease with a new game if a few routines were kept from older games.
I played the beta on a friends PC simply because mine can barely run it. Im not impressed by the settings, I dont care about the GFX yet as it IS a beta and lots can happen
on that account, Helis (little boy) is now so godly they easily go 100/1 - sniperscopes ?? wheres the mildots ?? ahh, I see what you did there DICE, you dont want real sniping from long
distance but only COD sniping within 2 meters quickscoping ..... the tanks are so bad they remind me of that futuristic failure tank from BF4's latest DLC that acted like a drunk rhino.
I could go on, but get the point, its the gamesettings and gameplay not the GFX they molested.
So you just suck up to the EA employees here on site, it wont change the fact that DICE FUBAR for the third time in a row.
BF4 will survive BF2042 simply because we got rented servers.
DieHarder55
4 years ago
@DrSobota I enjoyed myself playing 2042.

Worse thing I saw was just trying to id. who was who. I have no problem with the specialist classes. I think each side should have different facial and maybe body features for each specialist so you know which side, say Faulk, is on.

Cosmetics should have different color schemes for each side, including upcoming legendary cosmetics. So if you make a black outfit for a legendary cosmetic, Russian side has shades of Red with the Black and US has shades of Blue

But playing, I saw everything I typically seeing playing any version of Battlefield.

I was right at home within a half hour of getting use to things.

As for being worse than BF4, it took Dice over a year after launch to make BF4 to what it is. Asking me this question again at the end of next year. Then I can give you a fair and reasonable answer.
KillerB3as
4 years ago
@0ld_yell0w I'm not calling people dumb for 'not liking the settings' (please show me where I said that). I'm calling people dumb for comparing a game that has had multiple patches (sorry I'm not up to date on patch dates) since it was released and became a great game, to a game that is still in development...not appreciating that difference makes you dumb. This is pretty obvious stuff here.

Not sucking up to EA, I have my own bones to pick, I just don't sit in the "the sky is falling" circle * like a lot of you.
Jesse165
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@0ld_yell0w wrote:
BF4 will survive BF2042 simply because we got rented servers.
So... You mean the thing that is worse than Portal that you have to pay extra for every time you want to create a server to play on?
At least with Portal we won't have to pay extra for them AND we will have a lot more Options and Settings than you ever will with your paid servers 🙂
0ld_yell0w
4 years ago
@Jesse165 and you already know Portal is better because ? You are praising a feature you know nada about. But of course DICE always delivered in the latest 2 games. The ideal way would have been a mix. You could Portal and we who wanted rentals could have that, it would still be you own choice where you wanted to play. It all boils down to " we listen to the community" .. no they dont. they run their own agenda all the way, which would be fine if they admitted it. It been like that after bf4 .
ZombieP1ow
4 years ago
@IIPrest0nII wrote:
Funny to see how people compares polished Battlefield 4 and Battlefield 2042 Beta that isn't even an actual build. Why don't you compare BF4 Beta and BF2042 Beta. I perfectly remember how BF4 Beta was and it wasn't better than BF2042 Beta.
Happens every Beta test.
I remember most BF games being somewhat broken on launch. DICE revamped a lot and it's going to take a while to smooth out the wrinkles. BF4 is still massively unbalanced in Helicopters and some tank gadgets. A few updates and patches and I'm sure the community will find something else to whine about.
Ne0tax
New Vanguard
4 years ago
Battlefield 4 was the most broken BF game on release. 😇

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