@CountSero wrote:
@XSive_DrezFair \ Unfair is related to the topic of the thread
Not sure what your point is here. I am arguing to the level of fairness. My stance is that it is not unfair. So, yeah.
@CountSero wrote:
Also, the season-pass of Apex is essentially clearer than this one, you can see everything you need to calculate for sour self “ok it is doable for me or not”
So, why is DICE not doing the same way with BF2042, it looks like they are deliberately hiding what effort is really needed
Also, due to this opaque behavior I don’t know if they are tinkering in the background and try to figure out how I can bait some level skips (ok I admit then I’m again at the fair question)
Comparing one game's season pass choices to another is kind of pointless. Let me pick another random game with a season pass to compare BF2042's model. Smite has a Battlepass and their level progression requires substantially more xp the further you progress and you only get two weekly missions. Is that more or less fair? My answer is, that it doesn't matter what another game does. Two different games, systems, player bases, etc. They're just not the same.
If they were actually trying to hide the effort, you'd not see the xp required for the next level, just some bar showing you the progress. You can see the incremental increases and extrapolate from there. And, yes, they want to have people pay for level skips. This is not a new concept. Nor is it surprising.
@CountSero wrote:
Also, it seems to me that you are not an average player you have a high XP count and it seems to me that you’re playing more than two hours a day. So, you’re are the Exception that easily rush thru the season-pass. I’m happy for you mate but this is not average
I've never claimed to be your average player. But that doesn't mean I can't speak to the effort required. I can put in more than 2 hours a day on the front end so I don't have to put them in throughout the entire season. That doesn't mean I don't have to put the hours in. I can just do them all at once instead of spreading them out. My 10 hours in one day is the same as your 2 hours a day for 5 days. Not the average player, but the time and effort are roughly the same. As for my high xp count? I just use methods that anyone can, to increase my chances of better xp. You can get 10k alone just by maxing the ribbons which can be very easy to do.
@CountSero wrote:
And as I said before, this is a AAA game that I put on a stricter scale than with a free to play title. But even then, the Free to play Season-Pass in Apex is much better.
You are allowed to like one system over another, that's fair. But it does not speak to the fairness of one system over another. In my mind, Apex is too easy and unappealing. It's too easy to get bored because it's too easy to do. And to be fair, Apex is a AAA game from a AAA studio so I'm not sure what that argument is. My suggestion is to stop comparing apples to oranges.
@CountSero wrote:
and realted to your complains about chart, the table it was only an calculation example to show up how different the season pass of BF2042 related to the season pass of Apex work. But maybe it this was to complicated. And as long as we don't get the real numbers von Dice i will use these so that I'm on save side with "my" grind 😉
Finally, I never had complaints about your chart or the information within. Perhaps you were directing this comment to another but since I was tagged in the post I took it as being directed towards me. The chart is fine for what it is, just a breakdown of total numbers. For me personally, I don't care about the numbers or how you got to them. It doesn't affect me one way or another. Really it could just come in handy as a tool to set reasonable goals to accomplish based on your level of play and xp gain. I think it is a good thing to refer to for those who need to work out their time management.
I appreciate your polite discourse and discussion. It is welcome to have a pleasant disagreement on an issue without unwarranted hostility.
@CountSero wrote:
@XSive_Drezok let me describe it in other words than fair\unfair
for me this opaque procedure of DICE or rather EA should tempt you to make it difficult to make progress to generate targeted revenue by level skips
for me the impression arises that they firmly expect such income with such an approach (I know that you can't really calculate such revenues but I think that they have made some estimates in this direction)
DICE\EA just make it unnecessarily complicated and shady but they forget that the player base is already crumbling
I absolutely agree. This is definitely an intentional design choice to coax players into buying level skips. This isn't new to the industry nor do I think it is cleverly masked here. Secondary income from microtransactions is standard operating procedure these days and you'd have to be naive to think otherwise. So I agree, yes, this is part of their marketing strategy. Good or bad, that is a different debate.
@CountSero wrote:
I also didn't want to get too close to you or someone here in the forum, since I'm not a native English speaker I'm not always sure if I hit the right tone or find the right words.
But if I have done so I’m sorry mate, it wasn't meant that way
No worries. I am actually quite pleased with the level of respect and maturity shown by yourself and others. I believe in healthy debate and exchange of opinions and ideas and welcome your input. I believe we have come to a point where we acknowledge each other's points of view, and, whether we agree or not, we can accept there is merit in both. I also hope that I have not come off too poorly. BTW, you do very well for a non-native English speaker, do not sell yourself short.
Someone post it on Forum he need 13000 xps now i cut it a little ,look on the screenshot...
thats not much for 1 token ?
If you're a casual player and are not at level 55. You just play some hours in a week and do the weeklies. After every weekly mission, you're at higher Tier (4.9 Tier / week) having higher demands to grind points between weeklies. Couple of weeks later you're at Tier where demand is 15 000xp / game so you're levelling up very slowly. Next weekly comes and your progress is even slower. Are you ever reaching Tier 100 or even 80, don't know but easy it will not be. This rapidly increasing demand of xp / Tier or point is just a way to get people to buy Tier skips. Pure greed.
DICE Teamlvl 51, yes I would be, if I could play 24/7 from now on...
@EA_Atic wrote:
Just a tip. Don't forget while doing the weekly missions you are also earning XP, its not like you get 0 XP trying to do them.
/Atic
Assuming @CountSero calculations are correct we need
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-to reach season-pass level 100 you would need around 14,3 million XP
-with an average of 15k XP a round you would need 958+ games
-or 79+ games a week or 11+ games a day which are around 4-5 hours a day
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Weeklies get 58 levels (4,9 levels * 12 weeks). In a best scenario we need 7 games per day. Or more (if you happen to not perform as good and planned). Each game lasts 30min in average. So it is 3,5 hours + game searching. Around 4 hours. Every day. No skips at all. And if you start even a day later you already falling behind. With every day missed or later start the gap just grows. No offence but I want to hope you are playing devils advocate just because you have to otherwise are you really think this battlepass is any fair. And it even more unfair for newer player.
this calculation was the worst case without weekly mission to show that without weekly mission imho it’s not really doable for a casual
I think with an average off 10-15k you somewhat between 35-45 days with around 5 games
Which is still every second day for 2 hours of playtime, much for a casual
I hope they will change the system for the next Season Pass, even though it's included in my ultimate edition,
I don't know if I'll spend again so much time on a grind.
@Kompura wrote:lvl 51, yes I would be, if I could play 24/7 from now on...
But you don't have to be there. Those who got there just front-loaded all the xp gains that you could get over the entire 12 weeks. It's not as if you can't get the xp more slowly over time. that level 51 goalpost is only a guide saying I can coast from here on out. My 10-hour day is the same as your 5 2-hour days. It's a marathon, not a sprint. And remember, they say 4.9 levels but really it's 5 because you're going to get that last point (if not more) from xp just for doing the weeklies by virtue of playing matches to complete the weeklies.
Here i tryed so many times its to hard for me ☹️
Its Shootgun (near impossible get to close they sniper me or kill me so fast with this new gun), Melee (i tryed with the shield guy i die so much no fun luck got 1 kill) and Multikills (i try c5 and drohne to hard to move and they spot me so fast i dont know).
I get bored and no fun with this hell missions 100% next missions more harder ☹️
Whats so hard to understand i dont have so much Time...you guy know what is a Work ?
Its a Dream if i can play nostop 4 or more hours.
Iam Happy if i can get sometime 30 min or 1 Hour.
And how i get now the Multikills ?
It`s a second week and I`ve already got 34 PTS? What`s the problem guys? Would You like everything on the golden plate on day 1 or what? I don`t feel like I`m sweating in the game with those missions. I believe that mission objectives are easier than in BFV.
@TwordyI agree. Nothing hard thus far. The bonus mission this week was 15 kills lol. If you can't get 15 kills in a week then you might be better off playing a different game.
Most battlepasses from my experiance are 'designed to fail' just enough xp to trickle along but not enough for the casuals to finish. But you can always shell out real world money to progress. They all have that model. Turning games into online shops!
World of Warships comes to mind, awful, extremely short battlepass (35 days) with extremly difficult 'roadblock' unlockes that block your progression. But Wargaming.net is a whole other discussion
F1 2021 another pos from EA/Codemasters
Modern Warfare for the most part has been the easiest to complete. XP driven and they throw a shed load of double XP boosters and weekends at you!
Haven't really delved deep into season one, but not at all surprised its a EA master class of how to screw your playerbase!
Well today comes the new season at Cod i go back there, much less grind for a Battlepass.
Both a good Games to Play but i choose less grindy.
Have Fun all and good Luck to Finish this Season !!
It is a patetic way from ea/dice to make us grind this abandoned game from them and besides make more money from ultimate owners who will spend money to get last levels from each bp and THAT IS NOT NORMAL FOR THESE ONES WHO SPEND ATLEAST 110 BUCKS TO GET ALL REWARDS.
By playing 1 hour a day you are not reaching Tier 100, not even Tier 80. Those mission, yes, but you're only getting 49 Tiers from those. And all the time the xp needed for each point gets higher. At start it was 2000/point, on Tier 40 it's already 6500xp/point meaning 65000xp/Tier. On Tier 50 it's already over 10000xp/point. If casual player gets 10000-15000xp / game and is able to play 2-4 games / day and not every day, it's going to be very hard.
Anyway, this grinding is not fun, feels more like work than pleasure. At least for those players who just comes to have fun for an hour every now and then.
