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Perhaps I haven't been clear on my original post.
I'm an OG BF1942 player (like you i supposed) and if I had to choose I would select a remaster of BF1942 over any other opus of the franchise.
I'm fully aware that WW2 is only one part of BF Portal and other opus are getting remastered (BF3, BFBC2...) in addition to BF2042 and will take ressources.
So when you're saying that the main objective is to remaster in priority BF1942 and not BF1 and BFV as they are the last entry of the franchise, i'm totally agree. Even more when you said that to help this work and get the stuff necessary, we can use assets from said games.
@carsono311 mixing BF1942 with BFV or BF1 is up to me, if other players don't have the same POV, they can create their own vision. This is the whole point of BF Portal to give the tools and let anyone create his own version of the game.
Let's get back on your post @Johannes_de_Nova
JAPAN:
I have to admit that I had an hard time to choose between the different Pacific Maps of 1942. But I'll explain why I choosed Guadalcanal over Midway.
As you said, what made Midway iconic was because it had the biggest Naval fleet possible and created the biggest Naval battles. But what is actually the map? It's the ocean and one Island in the middle. And Midway island even remastered would be very small and not really funny for geound based warfare.
Now think about it: BF portal unlike OG BF1942 gives you the possibilty to set the different equipments and vehicles on each map. So once the carrier, destroyers, fregates, submarines aee available in the Portal, what will be better: the small Midway Island or the bigger Guadalcanal Island?
Guadalcanal with the same Naval Fleet as Midway (or bigger if you want so) will give you the same naval waefare but the difference is that the ground battle will be more enjoyable thanks to the diversity of this island: bases, forward outposts, village, hills, jungle...
Now talking about weapons of the japanese, i didn't put the type 5 in the original post because it's a prototype weapon but anyway i'll never be against more content!
So we should have the folllowing list if we look specifically to japanese weapons:
JAPAN weapons list:
Type 5, Semi-Auto Rifle (BF1942)
Type 99, LMG (BF1942)
Type 11, LMG (BFV)
Type 100, SMG (BFV)
MP18/MP28, SMG (BF1942, BFV, BF1)
Type 94, Pistol (BFV)
USSR / Soviet Union:
As we said, the problem with the Soviet Union in the Battlefield franchise consist that we have too few equipment and original maps with them.
For the map we're all agree o' Stalingrad I think but let's talk about the weaponry.
Here it's interesting because as I didn't play BF1 you gave me information I didn't know.
So If the M38 Mosin Carbine, M1895 Nagant Revolver are part of BF1, it would make already 2 greats addition for a soviet faction!
Talking about the BC2 PPSh41 i was perplex to see it with a drum mag of only 38 bullets on YT. Anyway if we can have a reskin of the weapon to the modrrn Frostibitex perhaps we can tweak the option of the weapon to change the ammo capacity to 71.
But we will lack of some famous equipment from USSR and here comes the main question about BF Portal is here:
Can it be possible through BF Portal to add new content that had never been in previous opus of the franchise? Here for example the SVT40 or PPS43 or M1891/30 Mosin Nagant.
USSR weapon list:
- DP28, LMG (BF1942)
- PPSh41, SMG (BFBC2)
- TT33, Pistol (BF1942)
- M1895 Nagant, Revolver (BF1)
What should be also brougjt to the franchise:
- M1891/30 Mosin Nagant, Bolt Action Rifle
- SVT40, Semi Auto Rifle
- PPSh41 (35 rounds or a proper 71rnds)
- PPS43
FRANCE:
In my opinion, France isn't a priority to be added as a faction and I expect to see first the USSR, Japan and Italy before seing it.
Don't get it wrong about me, I fell in love with the fact my country was added to the game back in 2003, and the Monte Cassino map was in my opinion awesome as well!!! Climbing the mountain by night to attack the destoyed monetary in epic CQC battle, I loved it, and would love to see it back with new Frostbite.
But mixing together UK and US weaponry is for me enough at the beginning to create the faction as the FFF was generally supplied with these.
Of course if we see the Lebel 1886, I'll be happy! For the Chauchat it's more of a WW1 weapon, I'd rather prefer the FM24/29 similar to the Bren but it never made an entry in the franchise. The MAS44 was only a prototype by the time of the war ended, so one more time it's not a priority to me.
The lone addition from previous opus sounds to be the Belgium Nagant M1895 revolver, the Ruby, the Lebel 1886, the M1922 MG, and the Chauchat if it makes a return.
So we would have this list:
FRANCE weapons list:
- MAS44, Semi-Auto (BFV)
- M1922, MG (BFV)
- Chauchat, LMG (BF1)
- Ruby, Pistol (BFV)
- M1895 Nagant (BF1)
To be completed with UK and US weaponry.
What should be also interesting to add:
- FM24/29, LMG
ITALY:
I can't imagine a WW2 experience without the Italian campaign. It would be skipping one of the most interesting theater of the war. We need absolutely at least one map that can give different playstyle and for me it should be or Anzio or Baytown! But I definitely want to see the italian architecture and countryside.
One more time I didn't know that BF1 had weapons that I was talking innmy OG post so that's good to know that from somewhere we can get the M91 Carcano + M1915 Beretta. BFV as the shorter M38 Carbine version of it + I forgot they added the MAB38. Of course BF1942's Breda 30 is must for the italian faction!
The introduction of the BF1942 M11/39 Carro Armato tank is necessary to my eyes along the US/UK M3 Grant in order to really depicts the early and middle year of the war when Italy was on the African theater with the Afrika Korps. I can see myself preparing 2 El Alamein settings, one for the 1st Battle with more Italian assets to the Axis Team including M11/39 and the 2nd Battle of El Alamein with more german assets.
ITALIAN weaponry list:
- M38 Carcano, Bolt Action Carbine (BFV)
- Breda 30, LMG (BF1942)
- MAB38, SMG (BFV)
- M1915 Beretta, Pistol (BF1)
What should be also good to brought to the franchise:
- FNAB43, SMG
- M1934 Beretta, Pistol
And here bellow the other 3 faction announced weapons list:
Commonwealth weapon list:
- Bren Mk 2, LMG (BF1942, BFV)
- Lewis, LMG (BFV, BF1)
- Vickers K, LMG (BFV)
- Boys, AT rifle (BFV)
- PIAT, AT launcher (BFV)
- Sten, SMG (BF1942, BFV)
- Sten Mk2s, SMG (BF1942)
- Mk VI Webley, Revolver (BFV)
- Welrod, Pistol (BFV)
US weapon list:
- M1 Garand, Semi Auto (BF1942, BFV)
- M1A1 Carbine (BFV)
- M1918 BAR, LMG (BF1942, BFV, BF1)
- M1941 Johnson, LMG (BF1942)
- M1919 Browning, LMG (BFV)
- Bazooka, AT launcher (BF1942, BFV)
- M1928 Thompson (BFV)
- M1A1 Thompson (BF1942, BFBC2)
- M3 Greasegun (BFV)
- M1911 Colt, Pistol (BF)
GER weapon list:
- Gewehr 43, Semi-Auto Rifle (BF1942, BFV)
- Stg44, AR (BF1942, BFV)
- FG42, LMG (BFV)
- MG34, LMG (BFV)
- MG42, LMG (BFV)
- MP18/28, SMG (BF1942, BFV, BF1)
- MP40, SMG (BF1942, BFV)
- Pzb39, AT Rifle (BFV)
- Rpzb54 Panzerschreck, AT Launcher (BF1942)
- P08 Luger, Pistol (BFV, BF1)
- P38 Walther, Pistol (BF1942, BFV)
- PPK (BFV)
@Cpt_McRonNo one, certainly not me, has criticized your desire here. I welcome and applaud it. You do you.
I am simply trying to temper expectations as I see them. EA DICE has only shown off a very small amount of this game and everything you want to be in it will take a lot of time to design/redesign and implement. I am not saying that cannot or will not happen, but that I strongly suspect it will be limited in scope to begin with.
- Trokey665 years agoSeasoned Ace@carsono311 This was the reasoning behind my 'wake up call' thread.
I fear people are raising unachievable expectations about firstly, being able to fully create their vision. Once created, will they realise that their vision may not be shared by enough people.
That said, I'm with you on that I hope it all works and such servers succeed but knowing the fickle nature of this 'community', I have my fears.- lzilchetl5 years agoSeasoned Ace
I think there is going to be a bit of the Roblox or Minecraft about it, in that there are going to be people dabbling and others getting their teeth into it and carving a reputation for themselves. We'll gravitate to those game designers that set up playable games. I used to teach computing, and every kid used to join a class thinking they were going to immediately code a game, and not realise that it takes a lot of learning before that happens. I watch my granddaughter browse Roblox after Roblox game looking for something decent to play. I'm imagining that there will be some sort or "like" system so we can gauge popularity and playability, but we will all have our favourites.
I also expect that the Portal will be represented well on You Tube with the most popular designers pulling together a community/audience around them.
- 5 years ago
@carsono311 Thx for the support!
I can understand you scepticism for Portal as previously I was also around the forum back when BFV was announced with the same kind of topic, but the direction that took the game was pretty weird in my opinion. They wanted to show the untold stories of WW2, which is a good idea in my POV to make people think about it (if only they carz about the scenario of a map). But they didn't show the biggest faction of the war: USSR... Like they just erased them from the history in their game...
And I remember back in these days the polemic between community and developpers already from the trailer "accept it or don't buy it" and then to the forum where the "players present on the forums are not representative of the proportion of players playing the game, so the idea and opinion on the forum aren't representative of what really want the playerbase". Even if it's quite true, but then forums doesn't have any purpose then, I just left it loose any hope on BFV.
But with BF Portal I think and hope it will be way different for several reasons:
1 - They saw all the polemic that did go around BFV and learnt from it (i hope)
2 - They choose to "remaster" BF1942, which is the logic choice as BFV is the last entry ey to the franchise and still played. BF1942, was designed to reflect historical accuracy, principaly with factions restricted arsenal. And BF Portal gives the possibility to respect the setting of the original games.
3 - According to the trailers, you can feel that they really want to build BF2042 and Portal with the community, this time.
4 - It's purely subjective but I think the business model as evolved in the past years with games such as Fortnite, Warzone, Rainbow 6 Siege... Today the objective isn't to sell a game every X period of time. The goal is to sell a battle pass every year and focus to develop only 1 game during several years. And I really think BF2042 and Portal are designed to follow this model through the new gen of consoles life.
And to answer to @Trokey66, I don't expect this list to be achieved in 1-2 years (like i expected from BFV since all ressources were working on a WW2 game) , but if in 4-6 years of live service we have it, It will be perfect and worth it to pay a battle pass every year to support the development studios in my opinion (even if i don't care that much for skins).
Hi there @EA_Joz, thx for the cheers, yes Solomon Island was really good, maybe you guys can do some remaster with the same atmosphere in the future :P
@Johannes_de_Nova Yes, I think we will enjoy portal the same way you and me!! Guess i'll perhaps see you on the BF1942 servers :D
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