Why did dice nerf the Boris's turret so bad it's basically useless now? They should have either nerfed it's damage/health/range or removed the orange highlighting of the enemy. But by doing both it's now so useless. Now you destroy it so easily with 1 clip and lose no health. Now the enemy can run by it and it doesn't even notice them. Why the Angel armor nerf? So now Angel can only give himself and his teammates ammo. The armour was the main reason to use him! He was the only specialists that did teamwork. There's already a ammo crate so why would anyone use Angel? He's so useless now.

I view both these changes as a positive.No robot-guns or robot-dogs would be better yet.Armor plates should've never been introduced into BF anyway, leave that crap in COD.

Angel is still the best specialist even without the armor....that's how ridiculous he was. He had (4) top tier abilities before, now he just has ( 3 ). Most other specialists are lucky to have ( 1 ) top tier ability.Ability to revive. Gadget resupply with +1 rocket ammo. That +1 rocket is critical since it makes solo'ing tanks much more doable.'Free' deployable gadgets (spawn beacon, AT mine and/or armor)*He's by far the best anti-armor specialist, while still being 90% of Falck AND he gets the deployable gadgets for 'free'.He is not useless.*Spawn as Angel with spawn beacon. Drop spawn beacon. Call in crate. Switch to loadout #2 which has AT mines. Deploy mines. Head back to crate. Switch to loadout #3 with AT launcher (or other preferred gadget). With this approach you can run around in your preferred gadget while still getting all the benefits of deployed mines and spawn beacon. Mines and beacon don't de-spawn even after you switch kits. I haven't tested it yet, but I suspect that the body armor will stick with Angel even though he swaps to a different (non-armor) loadout.

@HARLEMnycity He still has loadout crate and ammo bag yes?As to armor plates already in the game, yes remove those as well.

I usually play Angel and the first thing I do when trying to cap a flag is call for a loadout crate, then begin clearing enemies and distributing ammo/armor to teammates. Even with removing the ability to dispense armor I honestly don't see how it will change that play style.

@cso7777Angel was so over the top that every squad had at least two. I freely admit it was the first one I took to T1 as it was easy. Ammo, ammo crates, revives and armor? It was easily the most regular specialist in game as it has so many ways to make points. While the armor plates were handy, losing them doesn’t change that player much. He can still throw ammo, call in crates to change load outs with, and revive like crazy. Nerfing the turrets, which again I read so much hate about yet they could be killed with a mag, and had a slow enough lock on that if you’re not running around like a doorknob then they’re easy to kill… wasn’t necessary. Taking the wall spotting out is, nothing should do that except maybe sensor balls.It’s going to make T1 of Boris a lot longer to get though.

Boris turret nerf & Angel armor nerf

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HARLEMnycity
4 years ago
@UP_Hawxxeye But armour is still in the game? Players can start with 2 armor plates. Then they can constantly replenish them with a ammo crate. The effect of Angel is still in the game and long as 1 person uses a ammo crate in a squad
HARLEMnycity
4 years ago
@no_One31 The turret was the best way you defend a flag when your fighting a squad by yourself. It's like they don't want you to defend flags but just keeps running after them like moths to a flame
HARLEMnycity
4 years ago
@SpudBug That turret should never kill anyone with half a brain. All it really was an alarm system notifying that someone is nearby
emerson1975
4 years ago
@HARLEMnycity The turret killed people that didn’t work with a squad and run around like headless chickens!
Now it’s irrelevant because it couldn’t kill a fly
BR-DuaneDibbley
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@HARLEMnycity wrote:
@chrilscYes with Angel I was able to play super aggressive with a SMG. I would rush around and kill dmr campers. Now I can't and the game isn't as fun. 4.1 made the game less fun. But sure why a patch would that.
Honestly, if you can close the gap to a DMR camper be in the range a SMG is designed to be effective and you still cannot kill the guy/girl, then it is definitely YOU and not the SMG that is at fault here. 😉
I am still playing the K30 and did not notice any big difference (but I mostly try to play this thing CQB, so there might not even be a difference there).
CloverDeuce
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Ironhead841 But armor plates are still in the game? So now you just have inconsistent gun fights after you use your 2 armor plates. Taking armor from Angel just made him useless
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??? Someone chooses Armor plates as his gadget. They get 2, so that gadget can be used twice and then it is gone, like rockets or C5 or mines. After that you will be on an EVEN playing field in a gunfight. If anything it is 'inconsistent' (not sure you are using that correctly) and to your advantage when you have the armor plate on and someone else doesn't.
AND if Angel calls in the loadout crate, you can resupply your armor plates there.
You make it seem like because Angel doesn't throw out armor plates like candy anymore that he is totally worthless. He has the best abilities by far of all the specialists. He can re-supply, allow weapon and kit changes, heal/revive and he still gets any gadget of his choosing. What game are YOU playing?
Also, IMO, if someone wants to forego some other gadget to get 20% more sustainability, then that is there choice. It is not that OP. I prefer the spawn beacon, some prefer rockets, choosing 1 means you don't get something else, its not like people are getting extra armor and then getting AA missiles or C5 too.
CarreraLuu
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
@PantleonEven without wingsuit Sundance or smart grenades she still shine. If you know how to shoot well then you are fine. Don't be sad that your turret and body armor is gone now that's just how it works out sometimes
CarreraLuu
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
@CloverDeuce clearly this guy is a cry baby and want the easy way of having the upper hand against the opposite team. He wants to not engage in fights and lose, he wants to win fights the easy way. Ever since the armor been removed from his supply bag, I've been able to kill Angel's much easier now. Before it was very unbalanced and was very unfair, needed 2-5 more bullets to kill a Angel or other pissed me off. I wish the armor was never introduced to the game the way they designed it. I think the armor should be nerfed to only +5 life no more for Irish no stacking as well or the actual gadget.
CarreraLuu
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
@HARLEMnycity Your part of the problem...
The nerf was needed for Angel and Boris.
The way dice introduced armor plates to the game was terribly implemented, should've never been in the base game only to hazard zone.
Boris users were just campers, hide hind the turret to avoid getting shot.
I have nothing more to say because 90% of folks agree with my statement.
HARLEMnycity
4 years ago
@emerson1975 I don't know what game you've been playing but there is very little teamwork in this game when playing with randoms. I only get revived 1 time every 3-5 games.

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