Developer Feedback !
As the title states, Developer Feedback ! Do any of the Community Managers or Forum Moderators in here feed back to EA and or DICE about the level of disappointment and even anger in these forums? ...
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@80uwjx4m1chc wrote:As the title states, Developer Feedback !
Do any of the Community Managers or Forum Moderators in here feed back to EA and or DICE about the level of disappointment and even anger in these forums?
DICE has stated many times they are aware of the disappointment. DICE has even said they weren't happy with where the game was at launch.
Go read the blog posts. Go watch the Dev talk videos. Go listen to the podcasts. Scroll through the Dev's personal Twitter feeds. Communication is a two way street.
The online community isn't always right and the online community isn't necessarily representative of the entire player base. Consider that 2042 has likely been bought/downloaded 10million times. Less than 5000 people are likely voicing their opinions online. This board probably has less than 50 regulars. Even then those online voices are more often than not conflicting.
You make it seem like community feedback should be sole/primary factor in the decision making process. The reality is that DICE is likely constrained/influenced by other factors. Budget. EA directives. Available resources/skills. In-game telemetry.
Also I'm going to need everyone in this topic to PayPal me $5. If you don't then I'll conclude that the only possible explanation is that you didn't listen
We are a very small portion of the actual player base; I doubt they listen to us very much.
This late in the game all the feedback we are providing is likely for the next Battlefield in the series.
@AngrySquid270 wrote:
@80uwjx4m1chc wrote:As the title states, Developer Feedback !
Do any of the Community Managers or Forum Moderators in here feed back to EA and or DICE about the level of disappointment and even anger in these forums?
DICE has stated many times they are aware of the disappointment. DICE has even said they weren't happy with where the game was at launch.
Go read the blog posts. Go watch the Dev talk videos. Go listen to the podcasts. Scroll through the Dev's personal Twitter feeds. Communication is a two way street.
The online community isn't always right and the online community isn't necessarily representative of the entire player base. Consider that 2042 has likely been bought/downloaded 10million times. Less than 5000 people are likely voicing their opinions online. This board probably has less than 50 regulars. Even then those online voices are more often than not conflicting.
You make it seem like community feedback should be sole/primary factor in the decision making process. The reality is that DICE is likely constrained/influenced by other factors. Budget. EA directives. Available resources/skills. In-game telemetry.
Also I'm going to need everyone in this topic to PayPal me $5. If you don't then I'll conclude that the only possible explanation is that you didn't listen
communication is a two way street. refusing to give any semblance of a roadmap on how they are going to FIX the issues shows their level of apathy towards what we say and what we want to know. dice burned their bridge with me because of this
@Prof3ss0r_M1k3 wrote:communication is a two way street. refusing to give any semblance of a roadmap on how they are going to FIX the issues shows their level of apathy towards what we say and what we want to know. dice burned their bridge with me because of this
Which specific issues do you have in mind?
Does the entire online community agree on the issues, how to fix them and the priority in which those fixes should be addressed?
Does the telemetry available to DICE tell a different story?
Does DICE have the budget/staff available to fix them in the timeframe you expect?
Is DICE being constrained by some directive from EA?
@AngrySquid270 WoW. I am amazed at the level of acceptance you are portraying here.
1) DICE has even said they weren't happy with where the game was at launch. Seriously? They Made it so they should have Fixed it!
2) Go read the blog posts. Go watch the Dev talk videos. Go listen to the podcasts. Scroll through the Dev's personal Twitter feeds. Who in the world has the time for all of that, plus, isn't that what OFFICIAL Sites are for, you know, such as THIS one? Oh, I also work for a living, and damn hard too I might add, and the precious little downtime I do have I want to be able to enjoy something that I have PAID FOR with hard-earned money.
3) The online community isn't always right, and the online community isn't necessarily representative of the entire player base. Just because the entire community player base does not pop in here and state it, it does not mean that they all don't feel ripped off with this game and how low the content is from launch till now.
4) Consider that 2042 has likely been bought/downloaded 10million times. Yes, and I wonder what the count would be with the amount of Un-Installs and Removals would be through disgust and anger at the plus poor game content for the full asking price paid.
5) You make it seem like community feedback should be sole/primary factor in the decision making process. Not entirely, but at the very least it Should be the FIRST site they publish things on because this is Their Official Site is it not. Shocker here, but not everyone uses Twitter or Facebook and the likes.
6) The reality is that DICE is likely constrained/influenced by other factors. Budget. EA directives. Available resources/skills. So what you are implying here is that they are prepared to take the Full Asking Price for this game but guarantee Nothing? The factors you just mentioned are in their control, however I can't do anything about incompetent greedy management, but as one of the 10 Million people you mentioned, surely I should have an expectation that this game should be better than the last one.
7) If you don't then I'll conclude that the only possible explanation is that you didn't listen. WoW, finishing with sarcasm. Well, once again, They made the game, so They should fix the game which I appreciate they are doing, but it's in drips and drabs and only after a barage of customer anger toward them.
However, that does not and cannot excuse the sheer lack of game content. Remember this thing dropped with NO Campaign and hardly any Maps, so in effect barely Half of the game, and yet we all had to pay Full asking price and wait whilst they decided in their own time to fix things.
I find it incredible that you are actually trying to defend this whole thing
@80uwjx4m1chc wrote:However, that does not and cannot excuse the sheer lack of game content. Remember this thing dropped with NO Campaign and hardly any Maps, so in effect barely Half of the game, and yet we all had to pay Full asking price and wait whilst they decided in their own time to fix things.
I find it incredible that you are actually trying to defend this whole thing
You had to pay full asking price? Explain.
The game seems to have a lot of dealbreakers for you which were apparent prior to release - yet you bought it anyway?
We knew about the low map count prior to launch. We knew about the lack of campaign prior to launch. We knew from the beta that it was likely the game was launching half baked. Why did you accept those things by buying the game? Assuming you pre-ordered - why didn't you recognize the risks and hold off for a few weeks for more initial impressions?
Literally no one should have paid full price or have a claim to feeling duped. EA Play was a no brainer. $5 for a month trial. Extra early access (before Gold/Ultimate editions even). 10hr free trial. 10% off purchase (saving $6 to $12). Pay the $5, play early, play your 10hr, if the game didn't scratch your itch take note of your dealbreakers and move on with your life. Check back in later to see if your dealbreakers had been corrected. Buy the game when your dealbreakers have been addressed.
Also, your original post was putting the blame for lack of fixes at the feet of the CMs. The only thing standing between us and a 'fixed' game are the CMs. Which specific issues do you feel were not being passed along? Or are you backing off of that position?
You had to pay full asking price? Explain. Well, it was still nearly full price when I bought it!. But of course I was speaking subjectively around the price versus the return, in other words people bought it at the release price and got half of what they would have in previous releases. Come on, you didn't realise that?
The game seems to have a lot of dealbreakers for you which were apparent prior to release - yet you bought it anyway? I was hoping that by the time I had picked it up they or a majority of them would have been fixed, this plus the fact that you have to read between the lines of what people post on forums, so again I was hoping for the best. (The point I was alluding to was that I was struggling to see how after all this time some of the common things still had not been addressed.)
We knew about the low map count prior to launch. No I didn't, I did not scour forums etc and as mentioned above was hoping it was going to be addressed with a map pack
We knew about the lack of campaign prior to launch. Yes, but again was hoping it was going to be compensated for in other ways. However, you have completely missed my point that I was trying to make in my previous thread which I thought was obvious.
We knew from the beta that it was likely the game was launching half baked. I actually never had the BETA. I did not have the time or interest. I did catch some forum posting by players that stated they hoped the issues they mention would be addressed, and someone else replied that they were fixing them. So again I had hoped they were fixed.
Assuming you pre-ordered - why didn't you recognize the risks and hold off for a few weeks for more initial impressions? Pre-ordered? No. And "Hold off for a few weeks? Well I held off for nearly a year, how much longer are we to "Hold Off" to give the people that made the game time to fix the game?
Literally no one should have paid full price or have a claim to feeling duped. Really? So the Pre-Order people should not have had to pay as much as they did at PRE-ORDER Prices? I really have no idea how you came to this conclusion, explain to me please how they would have been able to get it using your way of thinking at the Pre-Order stage?
EA Play was a no brainer. $5 for a month trial. Extra early access (before Gold/Ultimate editions even). 10hr free trial. 10% off purchase (saving $6 to $12). I genuinely had no idea about this way of doing things, but I thank you for bringing it to my attention for the future. I am taking it these things are available in the UK? Because the prices you mention and the way you spell things makes me feel you are in the states. Also, a lot of the time there are products that are available in the states but not here in the UK or even some parts of Europe.Also, your original post was putting the blame for lack of fixes at the feet of the CMs. The only thing standing between us and a 'fixed' game are the CMs. Which specific issues do you feel were not being passed along? Or are you backing off of that position? Nope. Yet again you have either missed my point or are just being argumentative. I asked if they did in fact feed back to the Devs what people say, feel and think regarding the state of play for the product they made. I did not say that it is their fault at all. Please Re-Read my post carefully until you get that point correct.
Over to you.
