Still getting one shot from all ranges from 50mm when I’ve taken any amount of damage. Usually without warning. Still getting blown to bits by 50mm while seeking cover inside buildings. I have to ask DICE if they are intentionally trying to drive BF fans away from 2042? Never in my life in any BF game have I seen any vehicle destroy game play for infantry like I’m experiencing with the Hind and Condor. 50mm has no place on any airframe in game, much less a flying tank that supposed to be a “transport”! - too much HP. Takes 4 or more hits from AT rockets to kill. That’s just insane. - ROF still allows for low skill multi kills via splash damage. - on top of a hefty HP pool, these airframes can be perma repaired. Repairing/teamwork is not the issue. Extremely high HP on top of being repaired IS an issue. - cooldown for flares is still too fast Doesn't feel like Battlefield. Feels like a never ending deluge of Hind or Condor AC130- CAS Simulator with occasional moments of Battlefield when these airframes aren’t present. Import the Blackhawk from Portal as a proper “transport “. Move the Hind/Condor to the attack vehicle spawn pool. Calling the Hind/Condor “transports” is a joke.

@Zhukov211I think it worked great. They are picked noticeably less often, which is almost purely because people were picking them solely for the 50mm and not to actually transport.The 50mm is still highly effective against concentrations of infantry and against vehicles. They managed to nerf it without making it useless in my opinion.Good change overall.I do not personally believe that the 50mm needs any additional changes at this current point.I do understand the argument for a blackhawk-esque transport where it only has chainguns and a ton of passengers. Perhaps that can be in addition to the Hind and Condor? We could use some new vehicles anyway, and also increased vehicle limits for 128 players.

@llllKylo_RenllllThanks for proving my point. A “transport” should NOT have any weapon that’s “effective against concentrations of infantry and vehicles” as you put it.That’s why we have attack helicopters! So on top of attack helicopters we also have the Hind and Condor farming infantry and vehicles. Add to that 30mm cannons on the Bolte, Recon jeep and Hovercraft. This amount of low skill splash damage and vehicle firepower is unseen in any previous BF title. 2042 gameplay for the average infantry player is suffering as a result. Move the Hind and Condor to attack aircraft spawns where they belong and give us the Blackhawk from portal as a transport.

@Zhukov211 I just played a few rounds this evening and was using the 50mm in a condor for about 10 minutes. It is massively less powerful than it was before. It would take 3-4 hits to take down a target, compared to the 1-2 it was before. Between that and the significantly slower shooting it is a pretty large nerf.With that said, I agree that it would be beneficial to just have the two miniguns, but I can't honestly imagine if the gun stays in the game, it being much less effective. It hardly did any damage to vehicles either.

@S3SSioN_SoL wrote:@Zhukov211 wrote:Still getting one shot from all ranges from 50mm when I’ve taken any amount of damage. Usually without warning. Still getting blown to bits by 50mm while seeking cover inside buildings. What exactly would you prefer air vehicles do or just vehicles in general? It sounds to me like you want them to be flying styrofoam boxes? I highly recommend Infantry Only game modes.Air vehicles are in a good place, anyone who used the 50mm before knows that the nerf has put an end to the shenanigans. You can't 1v1 Anti Air tanks anymore, the fire rate is simply to slow.Air transport vehicles are meant to be tanky, so I really don't understand why you want to nerf its HP and Flares, there's literally nothing wrong with the Flares and HP.Instead of nerfing everything to death, you should instead advocate for the buffing of the SOFLAM. fine, leave the transport as a flying bus but take off the offensive weapons that make it better than an apache. transport or attack. pick one you don't get both

@edgecrusherO0 well said. It is supposed to be rock/paper/scissors, but if one team doesn't have rocks, then the scissors feel OP to the paper.Even if defenders got one attack helo, that would be better than zero as in most cases.On another note, they need to buff the Wildcat against aircraft slightly. A faster lock on and longer range would help.

Failed attempt at fixing 50mm on Hind/Condor

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Psubond
Legend
4 years ago
@SpudBug wrote:
@PsubondIdk man in the matches since the 1.1 update I barely even interact with the transports unless I'm trying to kill one in a wildcat or nightbird. They feel like they are doing their job as a mobile spawn point
Then making the nose gun a 50cal instead of any sort of cannon shouldnt be an issue
Zhukov211
4 years ago
@PsubondThis 💯 Miniguns or .50 cal HMG.
foff667
4 years ago
@Zhukov211 yeah in all honesty they should just remove splash damage weapons from ALL transport vehicles, no more 30/50mm on the latv, no more 30mm on the hovercraft, no more 30mm on the bolte(and then put it back into the transport category), no more grenade pod/30mm/50mm on hind/condor,etc. They are very tanky in the damage they can take and have 2 repair slots & 2 mini gun slots(that honestly can probably take out other choppers pretty easily even without the splash damage cannon).
Twordy
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
Permanent removal of 50mm cannon on Hind/Condor would make the game 5x more enjoyable and balanced. Auto-repairs as the ability when occupying the vehicle must have been optional between smoke and active armor. I`m not against powerful vehicles, but they must contain some weak spots in the design. Only new/crappy pilots or too greedy ones are the only vulnerability of Condor/Hind.
In my opinion, the powerful AC-130 is balanced. It took quite the skill to hit the targets with the main 120mm cannon from a high altitude. The skilled jet pilot might take AC in between 2 approaches. AC has never been controlled by the player and the flight pattern has been pretty predictable. As a result Jets, as well as Infantry, might use the so-called brain to safely relocate.
Condor might work as a Death Star with OP 50mm only when the crew is slashed to 4 members. No internal repairs, longer times to switch between Hovering and a Flight mode. 3 RPGs for a takedown. Having Condor/Hind as a transport right now is a :J:O:K:E: with current abilities.
CarreraLuu
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
@Zhukov211 ughhhhhhhh whatt the nerf is a big improvement i dunno what maps you are playing or your just standing in one spot and get pummeled lmao
theBus2142
4 years ago
Reducing the maximum amount of Vehicles is the real issue. Condor and Hind where designed to survive in an environment with multiple aircraft in the air and AA on the ground. We don't have that anymore so it's harder to take them down.
Tank2042Man
4 years ago
Played a few hours post patch yesterday and the nerf wasn't anywhere near what was needed for the 50mm.
Still effortlessly pummelling tanks with it.
At the very least they should stop insulting our intelligence and rename them as Gunships.
Zhukov211
4 years ago
@Tank2042ManIt’s mind boggling how anyone that’s played Battlefield over the years can defend this insanity. I’d guess that most defending how OP air v ground is right now haven’t been playing Battlefield for long.
SpudBug
4 years ago
@Zhukov211

"one shot by 50mm when ive taken any amount of damage"

Brother if you have taken damage that is not a "one shot"

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