False positive bans
I just got a false positive banned from BF2042 this morning, while I was not even home... how is this even possible? I guess its rip my ultimate edition. I believe another user @Gryphonv got the sa...
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@emerson1975 Macros? My keyboard and mouse both can do macros. Even one of the Reps I was on the phone mentioned how he never has had issues with his macor capable hardware.
It's not my fault they can't code a game properly and was sick of not being able to use vehicles like the Bolte etc because of their hardcoding of Look Left and Look Right. So I used it for a couple weeks till I got tired of having to turn it off and on all the time.
It's not my fault they can't code a game properly and was sick of not being able to use vehicles like the Bolte etc because of their hardcoding of Look Left and Look Right. So I used it for a couple weeks till I got tired of having to turn it off and on all the time.
@-NME-M0710NM4NAhk is why your banned as it’s a 3rd party programme that can manipulate key strokes lol.
It’s banned in plenty of games.
Just a mere reading of the tos will tell you not to use it
- @emerson1975 Well if that's the case the why don't they ban hardware as well like my Corsair keyboard that can do macros and my Logitech mouse that can do macros? And if their software can pick it up then it should be able to notice that I'm not using a macro that's only being used for left and right on my arrow keys that's it. There's software must really suck if it can't distinguish between rebinding keys versus using a macro
- @emerson1975 I don't know about AHK, cause I never installed or used it on my computer. But you've the same possible functionality in nearly all modern Keyboard/Mouse Software... I'm also using the logitech G Hub for a G910 Keyboard and a G502 wireless mouse.... Also have the older software LGS (Logitech Gaming Software) installed as I do have an older G13-device which is not supported by GHub. You can even programm LUA-scripts within GHub.
Funny thing: GHub Software is officially supported by Battlefield for years now as it's sending it's own light effects to the Keyboard/Mouse. Also they now have in-game-advertissements for Logitech...
I also have some macros on my keyboard, but none of them is related to any game. It's just for changing Lightning effects or opening specific programs I use very often (Word, Blender, aso.) - @-NME-M0710NM4N AHK will be flagged by the anti cheat due to the fact you can run tons of scripts on it.
It’s been flagged by blizzards anti cheat too and the anti cheat for pubg - @QU4NT0R I have a g503 on my second pc along with a razor keyboard and all I can say is that I have not been banned so I can only presume that’s not the reason why you are
- @emerson1975 I've been running AHK for years on the background (it's always ran as it's also in startup) but never interacts with any of my games. It's just for skipping, pausing songs.
So as long as it doesn't interact with games, you should be safe. Apex is also an EA game + uses Easy Anti Cheat and never banned there.
Or it could be DICE's implementation that picks up AHK no matter what.. though I doubt it. I still believe it has something to do with GHUB, iCUE @thegoodcharlesI just emailed support asking them again if it could be the AHK and why I was using it. Even put a link into it that shows I created a thread in the Bugs section a MONTH ago about the problem.
@emerson1975 wrote:@-NME-M0710NM4NAhk is why your banned as it’s a 3rd party programme that can manipulate key strokes lol.
It’s banned in plenty of games.Just a mere reading of the tos will tell you not to use it
Bro stop trolling. If AHK is the issue, I wonder why i am banned. I have it installed. But its not running and has not been running for a few months.
- @ItsOnlyM3-NL Well to honest... all of us are scratching our heads. Some of us seem to have the same programs running, like iCue... but not everyone. Same for GHub... lot of us have it, but then a lot that are being banned that aren't using it.
There doesn't seem to be a common denominator. So if it's iCue... then why have some been banned that don't own any Corsair products so they wouldn't be running it? I think it's just that EAC is broke and they don't want to admit it. - @ItsOnlyM3-NL Well obviously if it’s not running it’s not going to get picked up is it loool
Does anyone know if this has happened on consoles as well or just only PC?
- @CantGetRight Good question. I'm betting it's only PC.
- @thegoodcharles AHK can easily used as a cheat manipulation with use of scripts.
AHK has been used with battlefield games in the past and that’s probably why dice have deemed it fit to flag the program.
The tos specifically mentions 3rd party programs so use at your own risk It’s almost like you can’t use autohotkey to manipulate gun recoil is it…..oh hold on!
On what planet do these people think that it’s ok to use this!
It shows how poor the previous anti cheats have been
- @emerson1975 Well the same can be asked about a game in the year 2021 where two typical keys that are used for movement or hard coded to other movement keys. And the screwed up thing is that if you look in the settings there's actually two settings for look left and look right but even unbinding them to anything those two arrow keys for left and right are still hard coded to look left and look right.
- @-NME-M0710NM4N Look am sure you didn’t use autohotkey to cheat but many many do and think it’s ok because it’s a very well known 3rd party program.
I also understand the controls aren’t perfect but no game has perfect anything but it is in the games tos about using 3rd party software.
You are not the only one that’s got banned for this but are the only one honest enough to admit it so I commend you for that @emerson1975I’m sorry, I know I wrote before that I wouldn’t post anymore but your comments are beyond stupid.
Banning AHK is like banning javascript. Or like banning .net or like banning html. You can’t just ban a language. It’s like saying “you cannot have a C# or C++ editor installed because you can create cheats with them”. AHK is literally C++ in scriptform.
Jesus Christ, just ban computers then cuz they can create cheats.
This guy sits here all day and spams utter nonsense, contributing nothing useful. If you don’t have an issue emerson, please do the rest of us a favour and stop posting.edit: Just read some more nonsense. How can you possibly sit there and actively tell people that “you shouldn’t use ghub” and so on. Sure you can do fancy things with all peripherals nowadays, but if it is the case that we’re getting banned for having changed a hotkey in ghub (which I haven’t) don’t you see what a colossal screw up that is?
It’s one thing if you believe we’re all running elaborate hacks, but don’t defend EA for banning us for completely standard software that a good fraction of gamers have installed. Both AHK and ghub are completely reasonable programs to have installed on your pc, and if EA is banning us for those, it is a scandal.
@emerson1975 I've to agree with all the others. Only that a program has the abillity to create macros does not mean that someone is using it. And therefore it's not banable. Also assigning keystrokes to extra buttons on the mouse shouldn't be a banable offense, especially if the GHub software in my case is officially supported and recomended by EA/Dice on BF2042.
Also I'm using the same computer and the same setup with the same background tasks also in the following EAC protected Games: Hunt, War Thunder, Division 2 and Ghost Recon Wildlands. Never were flagged and banned in one of those games. Not for GHub, not for my RGB Software or any other I'm running.
I've digged now more into EAC. At first one of my speculations that also killing bots in Solo could have been the cause as there are several points on different maps where Bots could be safely taken out from a distance without getting killed as the bots at these points are more focussed on killing other bots. I first thought this might have been considered boosting or exploiting.
But reading through the DEV-manuals of EAC how to implement and what to be aware off I can definitely say that this is not the cause of an EAC-ban... (At least if it was EAC which banned me)... EAC is not able to detect exploits and ban therefore. Regarding the EAC documentation those kind of things needs to be manual monitored by the Devs itself.
The following is directly out of the EAC Dev Manual:
Game Exploits
Game logic errors, bugs, or edge cases are often discovered and exploited by players. However, anti-cheat understands the game code to be working as written and cannot solve these issues. As the game developer, you must fix these problems as you continue to develop and new exploits are discovered.
Also it is stated in the docs that EAC could mabye not work as intended and produce false positives if it's not implemented in the way it should. I've seen the page but need to find it again before I couldd copy & paste it in here.
So this is at the moment my best guess. Dice or any other studio involved into 2042 must have screwed it up at some point.
But in the end I can't really tell you what happened as EA/Dice is not giving any information about the cause of a ban... If it was EAC or a manual one or for foul language in Chat or, or, or...
I got now a conversation running with a real human from EA tech support about giving me all the related data in this matter as GDPR in Europe makes it mandatory for them to do so. Will hopefully soon find out what the ban is about and then I know better how to action.
- @emerson1975 Just because you haven’t been banned doesn’t mean everyone here was hacking or cheating. I don’t use AHK. And I was banned. AHK IS NOT THE ISSUE.
While it's on my mind, I'd like to point out that an actual BF dev has been falsely banned and accused of cheating in the past for a different AAA title. It was a simple tweet that got his account back. So, it's a little hypocritical to assume that there's no way in hell we could have been wrongly accused, and swiftly dismissed as lying. I can tell you right now if I was cheating, I would not be humiliating myself on the internet trying to prove my innocence, and I'm assuming others here are in the same boat.
Sadly to report I've been just another victim of all this banning thing going on recently. After writing them through the dispute option where I explicity pointed out a couple of apps that might be triggering some alert, today I got that e-mail from EA stating they have done a "full investigation on your account" and that they have confirmed my account was involved in cheating.. I don't know what developers are doing to cause all this mess but one thing is certain, they are banning a lot of innocent people for no reason.
Should I send another "dispute" message? What do you suggest me to do? I even told them my FPS games history like 2.3k+ hours ig CS:GO and even asked them to check my K/D ratio in my (BF2042) matches which I believe haven't surpassed 2:1. Damn it I don't even have more than 20 hours with this game..
PS: The application I believe could have caused an interference or problem with the game is "X-Mouse Button Crontrol" which I have been using for years to give more funtionality to my mouse, currently using to switch virtual desktops with button 4 and 5.
PS2: I've included the same picture I shared with them to show what's running in the background.
1- Windows Security
2- Discord
3- Nvidia Settings
4- X-Mouse Button Control
5- Steam
6- Tamriel Trade Centre addon for The Elder Scrolls Online
7- Origin
@viiccoo wrote:Sadly to report I've been just another victim of all this banning thing going on recently. After writing them through the dispute option where I explicity pointed out a couple of apps that might be triggering some alert, today I got that e-mail from EA stating they have done a "full investigation on your account" and that they have confirmed my account was involved in cheating.. I don't know what developers are doing to cause all this mess but one thing is certain, they are banning a lot of innocent people for no reason.
Should I send another "dispute" message? What do you suggest me to do? I even told them my FPS games history like 2.3k+ hours ig CS:GO and even asked them to check my K/D ratio in my (BF2042) matches which I believe haven't surpassed 2:1. Damn it I don't even have more than 20 hours with this game..
PS: The application I believe could have caused an interference or problem with the game is "X-Mouse Button Crontrol" which I have been using for years to give more funtionality to my mouse, currently using to switch virtual desktops with button 4 and 5.
PS2: I've included the same picture I shared with them to show what's running in the background.
1- Windows Security
2- Discord
3- Nvidia Settings
4- X-Mouse Button Control
5- Steam
6- Tamriel Trade Centre addon for The Elder Scrolls Online
7- Origin
You could try to open another dispute message, what I can tell you is that I did this and got the same bot answers, same as yours. I believe they just don't care if they are right or wrong, they just want numbers to tell how many "cheaters" they are banning, even tough part of these bans are unfair. I tried to DM them on Twitter and opened 2 disputes and had no luck.
Is anyone familiar with how the Freedom of Information Act here in the U.S. works? Do we not have the same kind of basic laws here to protect us as those in the EU have with the GDPR?
I'm curious. What do ya'll think the percentage is of people in here who are just full of it?
Be honest now. I'd say 98% of you know exactly why you were banned. Sadly it's not 100% as it should be as there could always be a false positive.
Thinking Tom Henderson is going to somehow get your ban overturned is pretty unhinged. You actually think he's going to put his rep on the line for 100 some odd people who he can't prove are innocent? You think he's not trying to determine how many of you are just typical liars? The most likely outcome is that he's going to state that the bans were reviewed and found to be valid.
Threads like this get started with every ban wave, in every multi-player, for a couple decades now. Nothing really special about this one. At least there were 2 bans reversed during early access and I'd assume that's why the thread hasn't closed. Zero un-banned since early access wave going by this forum.
Once this thread is closed a new one will emerge with the same old story.
@WienerBeardYou have no clue what you're talking about. And would put that number at 90% are not cheaters.
Common sense if you know anything about anything in regards to cheats these days (and for quite a few yrs now) that cheat sites require you to pay for a subscription which is usually not cheap... like $35+ a month.
But paying that high price comes with benefits... #1 being that they stand by their cheat and if for any reason you're detected and banned, that they will replace that game at no cost to you.
So why on earth would a good majority of people be on here hour after hour and day after day talking back and forth to try and understand why we were banned... when if we actually cheated... we'd be off playing the game again because the cheat provider would have already handed out new copies to everyone?
Stop trolling and move along.- @WienerBeard I would say that 98 percent of people here have no idea why they were banned. I wonder what you would be saying if you turn your game on now and you got banned.
