G84 TGM (Lis' guided missile) should NOT 1-shot destroy light air vehicles
Recoiless m5 one-shot destroying light aircraft makes perfect sense, but the TGM one-shotting air vehicles, especially after the recent buff, doesn't make any sense (only exception imo would be night...
Lis' G84 TGM is getting a nerf in the upcoming update (4.0). Thank you, devs - nerf was much needed :-)
Full patch notes:
Lis
Reduced the maximum range of Lis' G-84 TGM from 600m to 475m.
Reduced the boost speed of Lis' G-84 TGM from 150m/s to 110m/s.
Tightened the turning angles of Lis' G-84 TGM.
Adjusted the input clamping when boosting with G-84 TGM in accordance to the new turning angles.
Reduced the acceleration modifier when boosting with Lis G-84 TGM from 1.85x force to 1.15x force.
Dev Comment: With these adjustments we're looking to push Lis into having a higher skill ceiling (more skill required to master) and also ease up on the vehicle player experience.
The turning adjustments introduced in this update will make it so the missile will be less agile, hindering its ability greatly to double-back on itself after an initial miss
The boost acceleration & speed reductions will now enable vehicle players more of a chance to react to an inbound missile.
Also we want players to have a clear target they wish to attack with the TGM before it has been fired which we saw was not the case in update 3.2.1, these turning changes combined with the boost acceleration, speed and max range reductions are targeted to address this.
You make it sound as if TGMs require an insane level of skill to use, which isn't the case.
It is actually more effective than lock on weapons (for the most part):
- better range (600 vs 450 m)
- unaffected by flares
- unaffected by cover
- if you dodge a TGM it can always loop around and come back for you
It's mostly problematic in cases where the pilot is distracted eg when dealing with other vehicles (eg when dealing with choppers, pilot often has to fly low and reduce their speed, making them an EZ target for the TGMs).
@Metal_Daryl97indeed - the TGM being in the game and so prevalent basically makes it so pilots cannot play the game. You can never stop ducking and dodging and diving around long enough to actually help the team, take out a ground vehicle with AGM, or help clear a point of infantry.
Before the TV missile spam came into the game, you could plan to have a few seconds to help the team push a point and clear some infantry before lock ons started and you had to flare and retreat. Now if you EVER stop to target ground vehicles or infantry you're under risk of that annoying sound approaching and you know you have to stop playing the game and start playing dodgeball for as long as the enemy team wants you to.
infantry players seem to have a tunnel vision about attack aircraft and think that only the enemy team has them. Both teams have these vehicles and both teams are meant to use them to help attack capture zones and fight off the enemy vehicles. These vehicles exist to SUPPORT you as infantry. When the nightbird uses its miniguns on 5 enemies as you approach the point thats enemies that are distracted and decimated before you get on the point to clear it. When a stealth heli damages a tank with a bombing run and it has to run away before infantry arrive and can take it out at half health, thats helping the team.
By "distracted" i meant a pilot who's busy engaging infantry/vehicles - they will inevitably have a slower reaction time. The tardy devs have removed the icon indicating incoming TGMs - so if you are facing away from the missile, you can only react to the missile once you hear it - by the time you hear a boosted missile during an engagement it can be too late (missile only becomes audible when fairly close, especially in a noisy environment and missile would have travelled 50-100 m by the time you react to it).
The TOW and wire-guided missiles require skill, the TGM certainly doesn't require much skill to use
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Recoiless m5 one-shot destroying light aircraft makes perfect sense, but the TGM one-shotting air vehicles, especially after the recent buff, doesn't make any sense (only exception imo would be nightbirds because of their agility and small hit box).
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You make it sound as if TGMs require an insane level of skill to use, which isn't the case.
It is actually more effective than lock on weapons (for the most part):
- better range (600 vs 450 m)
- unaffected by flares
- unaffected by cover
- if you dodge a TGM it can always loop around and come back for you
It's mostly problematic in cases where the pilot is distracted eg when dealing with other vehicles (eg when dealing with choppers, pilot often has to fly low and reduce their speed, making them an EZ target for the TGMs).
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You make it sound as if TGMs require an insane level of skill to use, which isn't the case.
It is actually more effective than lock on weapons (for the most part):
- better range (600 vs 450 m)
- unaffected by flares
- unaffected by cover
- if you dodge a TGM it can always loop around and come back for you
It's mostly problematic in cases where the pilot is distracted eg when dealing with other vehicles (eg when dealing with choppers, pilot often has to fly low and reduce their speed, making them an EZ target for the TGMs).
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Lis' G84 TGM is getting a nerf in the upcoming update (4.0). Thank you, devs - nerf was much needed :-)
Full patch notes:
Lis
Reduced the maximum range of Lis' G-84 TGM from 600m to 475m.
Reduced the boost speed of Lis' G-84 TGM from 150m/s to 110m/s.
Tightened the turning angles of Lis' G-84 TGM.
Adjusted the input clamping when boosting with G-84 TGM in accordance to the new turning angles.
Reduced the acceleration modifier when boosting with Lis G-84 TGM from 1.85x force to 1.15x force.
Dev Comment: With these adjustments we're looking to push Lis into having a higher skill ceiling (more skill required to master) and also ease up on the vehicle player experience.
The turning adjustments introduced in this update will make it so the missile will be less agile, hindering its ability greatly to double-back on itself after an initial miss
The boost acceleration & speed reductions will now enable vehicle players more of a chance to react to an inbound missile.
Also we want players to have a clear target they wish to attack with the TGM before it has been fired which we saw was not the case in update 3.2.1, these turning changes combined with the boost acceleration, speed and max range reductions are targeted to address this.
Lis' G84 TGM is getting a nerf in the upcoming update (4.0). Thank you, devs - nerf was much needed :-)
Full patch notes:
Lis
Reduced the maximum range of Lis' G-84 TGM from 600m to 475m.
Reduced the boost speed of Lis' G-84 TGM from 150m/s to 110m/s.
Tightened the turning angles of Lis' G-84 TGM.
Adjusted the input clamping when boosting with G-84 TGM in accordance to the new turning angles.
Reduced the acceleration modifier when boosting with Lis G-84 TGM from 1.85x force to 1.15x force.
Dev Comment: With these adjustments we're looking to push Lis into having a higher skill ceiling (more skill required to master) and also ease up on the vehicle player experience.
The turning adjustments introduced in this update will make it so the missile will be less agile, hindering its ability greatly to double-back on itself after an initial miss
The boost acceleration & speed reductions will now enable vehicle players more of a chance to react to an inbound missile.
Also we want players to have a clear target they wish to attack with the TGM before it has been fired which we saw was not the case in update 3.2.1, these turning changes combined with the boost acceleration, speed and max range reductions are targeted to address this.
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Git gud as they 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@Metal_Daryl97indeed - the TGM being in the game and so prevalent basically makes it so pilots cannot play the game. You can never stop ducking and dodging and diving around long enough to actually help the team, take out a ground vehicle with AGM, or help clear a point of infantry.
Before the TV missile spam came into the game, you could plan to have a few seconds to help the team push a point and clear some infantry before lock ons started and you had to flare and retreat. Now if you EVER stop to target ground vehicles or infantry you're under risk of that annoying sound approaching and you know you have to stop playing the game and start playing dodgeball for as long as the enemy team wants you to.
infantry players seem to have a tunnel vision about attack aircraft and think that only the enemy team has them. Both teams have these vehicles and both teams are meant to use them to help attack capture zones and fight off the enemy vehicles. These vehicles exist to SUPPORT you as infantry. When the nightbird uses its miniguns on 5 enemies as you approach the point thats enemies that are distracted and decimated before you get on the point to clear it. When a stealth heli damages a tank with a bombing run and it has to run away before infantry arrive and can take it out at half health, thats helping the team.
@Metal_Daryl97indeed - the TGM being in the game and so prevalent basically makes it so pilots cannot play the game. You can never stop ducking and dodging and diving around long enough to actually help the team, take out a ground vehicle with AGM, or help clear a point of infantry.
Before the TV missile spam came into the game, you could plan to have a few seconds to help the team push a point and clear some infantry before lock ons started and you had to flare and retreat. Now if you EVER stop to target ground vehicles or infantry you're under risk of that annoying sound approaching and you know you have to stop playing the game and start playing dodgeball for as long as the enemy team wants you to.
infantry players seem to have a tunnel vision about attack aircraft and think that only the enemy team has them. Both teams have these vehicles and both teams are meant to use them to help attack capture zones and fight off the enemy vehicles. These vehicles exist to SUPPORT you as infantry. When the nightbird uses its miniguns on 5 enemies as you approach the point thats enemies that are distracted and decimated before you get on the point to clear it. When a stealth heli damages a tank with a bombing run and it has to run away before infantry arrive and can take it out at half health, thats helping the team.
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By \"distracted\" i meant a pilot who's busy engaging infantry/vehicles - they will inevitably have a slower reaction time. The tardy devs have removed the icon indicating incoming TGMs - so if you are facing away from the missile, you can only react to the missile once you hear it - by the time you hear a boosted missile during an engagement it can be too late (missile only becomes audible when fairly close, especially in a noisy environment and missile would have travelled 50-100 m by the time you react to it).
The TOW and wire-guided missiles require skill, the TGM certainly doesn't require much skill to use
By \"distracted\" i meant a pilot who's busy engaging infantry/vehicles - they will inevitably have a slower reaction time. The tardy devs have removed the icon indicating incoming TGMs - so if you are facing away from the missile, you can only react to the missile once you hear it - by the time you hear a boosted missile during an engagement it can be too late (missile only becomes audible when fairly close, especially in a noisy environment and missile would have travelled 50-100 m by the time you react to it).
The TOW and wire-guided missiles require skill, the TGM certainly doesn't require much skill to use
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