G84 TGM (Lis' guided missile) should NOT 1-shot destroy light air vehicles
Recoiless m5 one-shot destroying light aircraft makes perfect sense, but the TGM one-shotting air vehicles, especially after the recent buff, doesn't make any sense (only exception imo would be night...
Lis' G84 TGM is getting a nerf in the upcoming update (4.0). Thank you, devs - nerf was much needed :-)
Full patch notes:
Lis
Reduced the maximum range of Lis' G-84 TGM from 600m to 475m.
Reduced the boost speed of Lis' G-84 TGM from 150m/s to 110m/s.
Tightened the turning angles of Lis' G-84 TGM.
Adjusted the input clamping when boosting with G-84 TGM in accordance to the new turning angles.
Reduced the acceleration modifier when boosting with Lis G-84 TGM from 1.85x force to 1.15x force.
Dev Comment: With these adjustments we're looking to push Lis into having a higher skill ceiling (more skill required to master) and also ease up on the vehicle player experience.
The turning adjustments introduced in this update will make it so the missile will be less agile, hindering its ability greatly to double-back on itself after an initial miss
The boost acceleration & speed reductions will now enable vehicle players more of a chance to react to an inbound missile.
Also we want players to have a clear target they wish to attack with the TGM before it has been fired which we saw was not the case in update 3.2.1, these turning changes combined with the boost acceleration, speed and max range reductions are targeted to address this.
Thinking about the performance of TGMs "in isolation" is a mistake - don't forget that there are tons of other anti-air weapons being used at the same time (including many other lissiles). For instance, an apache that got hit by a lissile (super easy to hit an apache) becomes an easy target for literally anything on the battlefield (any under-average chopper/jet/wildcat player can finish off the apache).
I never use Lis and yet found it quite easy to hit choppers with the TGM - now imagine how effective multiple Lis mains can be
@Metal_Daryl97 If that many people on the enemy team are trying to take your Steatlh or Nightbird down at the same time, then its probably time. If you can't survive, chances are you shouldn't. Either because the enemy team is pushing you very hard in combination, or you made a mistake against an isolated event. Either way, there has to be situations that aren't survivable. Same applies to infantry getting swarmed.
That's actually what I suggested - a single lis missile alone should not be able to one shot destroy light air vehicles except for the nightbird; now, a lis missile coupled with other weapons should indeed annihilate the enemy vehicle. For instance, when using the jet, I can usually deal with an apache/hokum alone - multiple lissiles targeting the chopper at the same time makes it far too easy
@Metal_Daryl97I dont think a nightbird should dominate half of the enemy team. Yet here we are, with experienced nightbird pilots dominating half of the enemy team with their godlike absurd physics and accurate miniguns. And you want to take away the OHK ability of Liz against them? Like the only launcher infantry have access to in order to counter it which requires practice time? I am not mentioning the AA launcher and AT launcher on purpose, because they're not effective against those pilots. AA launcher means they spit out flares while finishing up 3-4 infantry during their flare uptime before shortly covering behind terrain or an object. To come back moments later to do it all again. M5 wont hit such a small target that nimble, believe me, I've tried countless of times.
And still you want to nerf the OHK ability of Liz.
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Recoiless m5 one-shot destroying light aircraft makes perfect sense, but the TGM one-shotting air vehicles, especially after the recent buff, doesn't make any sense (only exception imo would be nightbirds because of their agility and small hit box).
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@Metal_Daryl97 If that many people on the enemy team are trying to take your Steatlh or Nightbird down at the same time, then its probably time. If you can't survive, chances are you shouldn't. Either because the enemy team is pushing you very hard in combination, or you made a mistake against an isolated event. Either way, there has to be situations that aren't survivable. Same applies to infantry getting swarmed.
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@Metal_Daryl97 If that many people on the enemy team are trying to take your Steatlh or Nightbird down at the same time, then its probably time. If you can't survive, chances are you shouldn't. Either because the enemy team is pushing you very hard in combination, or you made a mistake against an isolated event. Either way, there has to be situations that aren't survivable. Same applies to infantry getting swarmed.
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Lis' G84 TGM is getting a nerf in the upcoming update (4.0). Thank you, devs - nerf was much needed :-)
Full patch notes:
Lis
Reduced the maximum range of Lis' G-84 TGM from 600m to 475m.
Reduced the boost speed of Lis' G-84 TGM from 150m/s to 110m/s.
Tightened the turning angles of Lis' G-84 TGM.
Adjusted the input clamping when boosting with G-84 TGM in accordance to the new turning angles.
Reduced the acceleration modifier when boosting with Lis G-84 TGM from 1.85x force to 1.15x force.
Dev Comment: With these adjustments we're looking to push Lis into having a higher skill ceiling (more skill required to master) and also ease up on the vehicle player experience.
The turning adjustments introduced in this update will make it so the missile will be less agile, hindering its ability greatly to double-back on itself after an initial miss
The boost acceleration & speed reductions will now enable vehicle players more of a chance to react to an inbound missile.
Also we want players to have a clear target they wish to attack with the TGM before it has been fired which we saw was not the case in update 3.2.1, these turning changes combined with the boost acceleration, speed and max range reductions are targeted to address this.
Lis' G84 TGM is getting a nerf in the upcoming update (4.0). Thank you, devs - nerf was much needed :-)
Full patch notes:
Lis
Reduced the maximum range of Lis' G-84 TGM from 600m to 475m.
Reduced the boost speed of Lis' G-84 TGM from 150m/s to 110m/s.
Tightened the turning angles of Lis' G-84 TGM.
Adjusted the input clamping when boosting with G-84 TGM in accordance to the new turning angles.
Reduced the acceleration modifier when boosting with Lis G-84 TGM from 1.85x force to 1.15x force.
Dev Comment: With these adjustments we're looking to push Lis into having a higher skill ceiling (more skill required to master) and also ease up on the vehicle player experience.
The turning adjustments introduced in this update will make it so the missile will be less agile, hindering its ability greatly to double-back on itself after an initial miss
The boost acceleration & speed reductions will now enable vehicle players more of a chance to react to an inbound missile.
Also we want players to have a clear target they wish to attack with the TGM before it has been fired which we saw was not the case in update 3.2.1, these turning changes combined with the boost acceleration, speed and max range reductions are targeted to address this.
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Thinking about the performance of TGMs \"in isolation\" is a mistake - don't forget that there are tons of other anti-air weapons being used at the same time (including many other lissiles). For instance, an apache that got hit by a lissile (super easy to hit an apache) becomes an easy target for literally anything on the battlefield (any under-average chopper/jet/wildcat player can finish off the apache).
I never use Lis and yet found it quite easy to hit choppers with the TGM - now imagine how effective multiple Lis mains can be
Thinking about the performance of TGMs \"in isolation\" is a mistake - don't forget that there are tons of other anti-air weapons being used at the same time (including many other lissiles). For instance, an apache that got hit by a lissile (super easy to hit an apache) becomes an easy target for literally anything on the battlefield (any under-average chopper/jet/wildcat player can finish off the apache).
I never use Lis and yet found it quite easy to hit choppers with the TGM - now imagine how effective multiple Lis mains can be
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That's actually what I suggested - a single lis missile alone should not be able to one shot destroy light air vehicles except for the nightbird; now, a lis missile coupled with other weapons should indeed annihilate the enemy vehicle. For instance, when using the jet, I can usually deal with an apache/hokum alone - multiple lissiles targeting the chopper at the same time makes it far too easy
That's actually what I suggested - a single lis missile alone should not be able to one shot destroy light air vehicles except for the nightbird; now, a lis missile coupled with other weapons should indeed annihilate the enemy vehicle. For instance, when using the jet, I can usually deal with an apache/hokum alone - multiple lissiles targeting the chopper at the same time makes it far too easy
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@Metal_Daryl97I dont think a nightbird should dominate half of the enemy team. Yet here we are, with experienced nightbird pilots dominating half of the enemy team with their godlike absurd physics and accurate miniguns. And you want to take away the OHK ability of Liz against them? Like the only launcher infantry have access to in order to counter it which requires practice time? I am not mentioning the AA launcher and AT launcher on purpose, because they're not effective against those pilots. AA launcher means they spit out flares while finishing up 3-4 infantry during their flare uptime before shortly covering behind terrain or an object. To come back moments later to do it all again. M5 wont hit such a small target that nimble, believe me, I've tried countless of times.
And still you want to nerf the OHK ability of Liz.
@Metal_Daryl97I dont think a nightbird should dominate half of the enemy team. Yet here we are, with experienced nightbird pilots dominating half of the enemy team with their godlike absurd physics and accurate miniguns. And you want to take away the OHK ability of Liz against them? Like the only launcher infantry have access to in order to counter it which requires practice time? I am not mentioning the AA launcher and AT launcher on purpose, because they're not effective against those pilots. AA launcher means they spit out flares while finishing up 3-4 infantry during their flare uptime before shortly covering behind terrain or an object. To come back moments later to do it all again. M5 wont hit such a small target that nimble, believe me, I've tried countless of times.
And still you want to nerf the OHK ability of Liz.
K then.
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No, I actually suggested that lis TGMs should only be able to one shot NIGHTBIRDS because it has a tiny hit box and is extremely agile
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