If anyone hasn't noticed by now, this game caters to completely noob players. All the pilots going 100+ and 0 in a round are just announcing themselves as the biggest noobs in the game. It takes zero skill to use the Stealth helo. It is so easy it is boring.
Look at the player stats, those with more vehicle kills than infantry kills, probably T1 for the Hind, Stealth helos, and the Bolte. K30 is their top weapon too. There are a lot of them out there.
No offense to the super skilled pilots who are T1 across the board.
@Adamonic wrote:If anyone hasn't noticed by now, this game caters to completely noob players. All the pilots going 100+ and 0 in a round are just announcing themselves as the biggest noobs in the game. It takes zero skill to use the Stealth helo. It is so easy it is boring.
Look at the player stats, those with more vehicle kills than infantry kills, probably T1 for the Hind, Stealth helos, and the Bolte. K30 is their top weapon too. There are a lot of them out there.
No offense to the super skilled pilots who are T1 across the board.
With all due respect, even the stealth helicopter does not result in the same K/D no matter the crew.
It takes a decent pilot to judge when to attack and when to pull back, it takes a great pilot to make a complete mockery out of even the Wildcat head on. It also takes a gunner who can land those EMP grenades and not just try to tickle infantry with the gunner seat.
The thing is OP AF and it needs to be easier to take down. But do not think for a moment that people like me who could do 40ish kills with it are on the same level as those who do 120+.
If it became easier to land liz missiles on helicopters, most of the problems around them would be gone quickly
@Adamonic wrote:
@UP_Hawxxeyedon't get me wrong, I use it too. I am not saying everyone is a noob or novice for destroying with it. I am just saying this game is catering to novice players. This is one of those times. I have never flown a helo that is this OP against everyone. I can take out all other aircraft 1v1 and annihilate ground forces without any threat of being shot down. If I die, it was because I was being silly.
Then for them to put it in the game while the other team has no aircraft? It is absurd. No one should be going 40-1 in a match. I have seen pilots have 50 kills in the first sector, especially on maps where the objectives have no cover (most objectives in the game).
Why’s that?
@CPT_GASLIGHT I think the wording is poor, that nobody should have these stats. I think what he means was with the addition "so easy".
There are players, who are clearly better then 99% of the community, they will have great stats maybe even a 40:0 or so.
But this is not the topic. What causes this thread, is the desperation fighting these helicopters. You simply have no chance, even if you know what you are doing. Stinger, Rao, Lis, nothing helps, when the pilot is very good. Yes, a very good pilot should have good stats... Because he is very good. But he should not be invincible.
I only play infantry, that is ok for me, there I have most fun. But I tried everything to counter these stealth helicopters, Rao, Lis, Soflam, NTW-50, everything can be counted very easy for the pilot. Rao's hack has a too limited range and through the indicator, he will be very dead after the hack, through the warning, the helicopter will use flares, before the hack is finished.
Lis rockets... Maybe I am not good enough yet, but the helicopters in general are too fast and too agile for this sluggish rocket. If the pilot sees the rocket (and he gets visual indicators though radar), the agility of the helicopter outclasses the rocket very easy.
What is the result and how do the players are reacting to this situation? Nobody is using stinger, nobody is fighting the helicopters, because everybody knows, it is useless. Even when the whole team is anti air, a good pilot can outplay everybody. And that is frustrating. More and more people will stop playing (I am short before this moment, if only the 30mm canon will be nerfed, I have no more desire to play this game further). DICE seems to have no plan balancing the air vehicles. And it just continues, first the little bird, then the condor, now the stealth helicopter, it gets worse and worse. And none of the other helicopters are weak, but there everybody has counter measures, but the stealth helicopter is just game breaking and DICE is too slow to react to this unbalance.
@Adamonic wrote:
@UP_Hawxxeyedon't get me wrong, I use it too. I am not saying everyone is a noob or novice for destroying with it. I am just saying this game is catering to novice players. This is one of those times. I have never flown a helo that is this OP against everyone. I can take out all other aircraft 1v1 and annihilate ground forces without any threat of being shot down. If I die, it was because I was being silly.
Then for them to put it in the game while the other team has no aircraft? It is absurd. No one should be going 40-1 in a match. I have seen pilots have 50 kills in the first sector, especially on maps where the objectives have no cover (most objectives in the game).
40-1 is not unreasonable for a well used vehicle vs a weak team. Some people can do it on foot if they get plenty of revives
The problem is when even a decent team cannot stop one of these.
In some cases it is also due to the map/mode.
Breakthrough is currently bugged to not allow the defenders to get aircraft unless they join the round late. This is an incredibly big issue in terms of team balance. Breakthrough also gives too much of room for aircraft to hide from the ground forces.
Since the introduction of this helo anything I take off into the air with just melts in litteral seconds (not exagerated) vs the stealth helo with zero counters. While before air combat was fun. How are people doing this with the stealth helo? No matter the gun I use on the stealth helo I cannot melt other helo's.
Used to be the trick to sneak up close to other helos with the little bird to get the drop and kill them before they could turn their heavy guns. But not so much the stealth helo, bullets just bounce off and the 30mm on the little bird isn’t anywhere near as powerful makes no sense.
FIX THE DAMN STEALTH CHOPPERS, THE NERF (WASNT A NERF) Cool DOWN has done 0 to the Over Effectiveness of the chopper 4 times trying to take it down with Wildcat it just spams me with cannons and rockets and i die every single time the guy flying had 0 deaths and 72 kills, Any game you join Breakthrough been the worst... The Stealth Chopper racks up ridiculous amounts of kills, You cant even missile lock it half the time and when you do it just runs to other side of map then comes back for another go. JUST NERF THE CANNONS DAMAGE LIKE YOU DID WITH THE OTHER HELI's ITS TOO OP!
@MaddoggMirandaThis was a no brainer. Everyone that’s honest about the state of the game and that plays the game daily knows full well simply nerfing the 30mm cool down was a laughable, half hearted attempt of fixing the stealth helos.
So now, like with the laughable, half hearted nerfs of the Hind and Condor, we must endure yet more weeks and months of being farmed by stealth helos.
No change to Stealth helo meta and Hind/Condor meta is relatively unchanged with 40mm spam and still more durability and insane survivability when compared to tanks.
@MaddoggMiranda wrote:FIX THE DAMN STEALTH CHOPPERS, THE NERF (WASNT A NERF) Cool DOWN has done 0 to the Over Effectiveness of the chopper 4 times trying to take it down with Wildcat it just spams me with cannons and rockets and i die every single time the guy flying had 0 deaths and 72 kills, Any game you join Breakthrough been the worst... The Stealth Chopper racks up ridiculous amounts of kills, You cant even missile lock it half the time and when you do it just runs to other side of map then comes back for another go. JUST NERF THE CANNONS DAMAGE LIKE YOU DID WITH THE OTHER HELI's ITS TOO OP!
i am going to start hanging out by the wildcat as rao. when stealth helo comes in for a strafing run i'm going to hack his * and pop a stinger for good measure and hopefully the wildcat finishes him (since stealth helo gets flares and stealth you can only get one missile off unless the pilot is stupid)
@PsubondThe problem is how these slippery busters fly low and hide out of sight. Especially with that stupid wall in Renewal
