@RanzigeRidder2 wrote:You might as well leave the "in breakthrough" part from the topic title. There's a vast majority of players that either have no clue of what the objective in this game is, or simply don't care. If you have too many of them in your team you get overrun or spawn trapped.
Yeah, very true. In BT, I see attackers just farming kills and never attempting to cap an objective. A bunch of streamers do it because it is easy, yet a kill as an attacker is the least important of all functions between the teams. The defenders don't have tickets, so killing an enemy may make it slightly easier to cap an objective, but it is nowhere near as valuable as a kill as a defender. However, as an attacker, it is way more predictable to know where the enemy is holed up to defend an objective.
For Conquest, most players play like it is TDM. However, at least kills reduce the ticket counts on both sides, but if you don't have at least half the objectives, then farming kills is also a waste of time except for your stream.
The biggest problem nowadays is streamers have to play the game in a way to make it appealing to an audience. Playing strategic is normally slower and more methodical. So now you have an entire generation of players, who have watched these streamers play, and they think that is the way to play the game. There is one guy who all he posts are Sundance C5 videos. Again, that is great but the Wildcat in the enemy spawn is a threat to almost no one.
@TheseusJason wrote:
@AdamonicTrue. But one point easily overlooked in these 'performance'-related discussions (esp. by those committed to the game, such as those who post here) is that plenty of individuals out there just play to unwind. Just spawn and (try to) have some fun. Grab a gun, build, and try to hit anything that moves without a green or blue mark above it.
Now understandably, those who play strategically are frustrated when they get such players in their team.
Noteworthy to remember in life: not everyone thinks or acts the way we do; however much we would like them to.
I can agree with that, for the most part. Although I'd say if someone wants to just unwind in spawn and get kills and not help their team they should just play solo/co-op and not screw over the other 31/63 other players (in cases where it's 63 the one person sitting back doing nothing is less noticeable, of course).
It obviously is a different situation to saying if you aren't using the 'meta' weapon/loadout you're doing your team a disservice (where, frankly, outside of a couple small exceptions most of the guns are all close enough that everything is viable no matter how many "x gun is OP!" posts are made. I have buddies that T1'd the vcar early on despite it being considered a joke, just because they're good with whatever gun they decide to use.
I realize that the second paragraph is a bit of a ramble/digression from the topic, but I find it loosely related to playing with whatever you think is fun, although I would recommend doing something useful for your team, whether it is spotting, disabling, healing, resupplying, reviving, etc.
@TheseusJason wrote:
@AdamonicTrue. But one point easily overlooked in these 'performance'-related discussions (esp. by those committed to the game, such as those who post here) is that plenty of individuals out there just play to unwind. Just spawn and (try to) have some fun. Grab a gun, build, and try to hit anything that moves without a green or blue mark above it.
Now understandably, those who play strategically are frustrated when they get such players in their team.
Noteworthy to remember in life: not everyone thinks or acts the way we do; however much we would like them to.
Oh absolutely, it is a game, and any player can do whatever they want in the game. However, the whole point to a specific game mode is the objective, how do you win as a team? If a player just wants to play the game to do some random thing, there are a ton of game modes, Portal experiences, Co-op/Solo modes to do that in. You can literally build your own experience and do the exact thing you want to do.
However, you are purposely ruining the experience for others when you join a team-oriented game mode and do some random thing as an individual. What's the point? Again, there are other modes to do that in. Why ruin the experience for others? I play BF mainly for the team aspect of the game. When you have a good squad, and the entire team is PTFOing, it is playing the game how it was intended to be played and really fun.
Think of playing a pickup game of soccer, and 3 players are just hanging out at midfield waiting for the ball, only to turn around and kick it out of bounds every time they get it because it is fun for them. They don't play defense or offense but count as 3 of your 11. So essentially, you have to play the game 11 v 8 with 3 randoms in the middle of the field that periodically get the ball and immediately kick in out of bounds then "lol". How long before that gets incredibly frustrating for the 8 and the other 11 trying to play the game right? But who cares because they are just on the field to unwind, right?
@Adamonic wrote:
@TheseusJason wrote:
@AdamonicTrue. But one point easily overlooked in these 'performance'-related discussions (esp. by those committed to the game, such as those who post here) is that plenty of individuals out there just play to unwind. Just spawn and (try to) have some fun. Grab a gun, build, and try to hit anything that moves without a green or blue mark above it.
Now understandably, those who play strategically are frustrated when they get such players in their team.
Noteworthy to remember in life: not everyone thinks or acts the way we do; however much we would like them to.Oh absolutely, it is a game, and any player can do whatever they want in the game. However, the whole point to a specific game mode is the objective, how do you win as a team? If a player just wants to play the game to do some random thing, there are a ton of game modes, Portal experiences, Co-op/Solo modes to do that in. You can literally build your own experience and do the exact thing you want to do.
However, you are purposely ruining the experience for others when you join a team-oriented game mode and do some random thing as an individual. What's the point? Again, there are other modes to do that in. Why ruin the experience for others? I play BF mainly for the team aspect of the game. When you have a good squad, and the entire team is PTFOing, it is playing the game how it was intended to be played and really fun.
Think of playing a pickup game of soccer, and 3 players are just hanging out at midfield waiting for the ball, only to turn around and kick it out of bounds every time they get it because it is fun for them. They don't play defense or offense but count as 3 of your 11. So essentially, you have to play the game 11 v 8 with 3 randoms in the middle of the field that periodically get the ball and immediately kick in out of bounds then "lol". How long before that gets incredibly frustrating for the 8 and the other 11 trying to play the game right? But who cares because they are just on the field to unwind, right?
I like everything you said. To further expand, these players who "just want to relax" are always given a free pass because their jobs are always tougher, or their kids are always less obedient or some excuse. I would like to ask for once, does moving your character to the objective to play the chosen game mode properly really require that much brain stamina or something? Why is it these players are always given a pass to be * by the community, just because they live a life, which everyone else also lives. Just because I work and build cabinets, does not mean I get home and suddenly can't press up on my joystick to move closer to the objective. Please someone explain.
