I stopped my pre-ordering plan
I stopped my plan to pre-order BF2042 for so many reasons! But here's a few. Not sure if anyone else had the same way of thinking, but I hope this feedback reaches the right people. 1. There is no c...
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@CyberDymeIn BF1 you don’t get access to i.e. the Fedorov Avtomat unless you buy the expansion it’s in. You can’ just grind your way to it. So locking important game stuff behind a pay wall happened in BF1. I don’t like it but there’s nothing to do about it, I guess, apart from not buying the game in the first place.
@VOLBANKER_PC But that was a different model, premium/paid DLC. It was the same with BF3 & 4.
- @Trokey66 That’s true! I forgot
I have pre-ordered, coz I know I am going to buy it sooner or later anyhow. But, I would tend to agree, that I've parted with my money with not a lot of detail about the product I'm buying. Can't think of any other context where I would part with the best part of £100 with such little detail about the thing I have purchased.
Like I've said before, Dice/EA have enviable customer loyalty - they could make more of that by developing and supporting their community. Its something most companies would give their right arm for but as a BF vet I'm not really feeling the love. They are part of a creative industry and at the cutting edge of their technological field, so creative use of technology to support their customer base and give a bit of added-value. Come to think of it, I also subscribe to Origin/EA Play which is a pretty flat product anyways. Hardly pushing out any boundaries.
- @lzilchetl I fully agree with you, and I am buying the game either way.
I just want to assess my decision.. instead of paying 100$ I would pay 60$
If the battle pass was a one time thing and you can gain coins, there is no need to but year 1 season pass.. I don't know its too confusing and I prefer to wait.
But once it is clarified I will either pre-order the ordinary version for XSX, or the gold..
Will follow you soon but not too soon 🙂 I really am lost for words as to why people still pre order!
Are people scared they are going to run out of downloads.
@emerson1975 wrote:I really am lost for words as to why people still pre order!
Are people scared they are going to run out of downloads.
Yes. I camped outside of GameStop for 2 days prior to being able to pre-order 🤘
@emerson1975 wrote:I really am lost for words as to why people still pre order!
Are people scared they are going to run out of downloads.
Speaking for myself, but suspect that others are the same, its just about being old. I'm gonna buy it anyhows, bought every one from BF2. If I can afford it now I'll get it, in case I can't afford it later. us old'ns do things like that, like pre buying your coffin or paying car tax for the year instead of monthly.- @emerson1975 When you get older, you have something called a budget. When you preorder something, like a game, months in advance, you don't have to worry about spending that money from your budget on said game when it comes out. It could go to something else or be used on something else entirely. Also, with games like Battlefield, you guaranteed into certain things with preordering, like a beta spot, getting access to play it 4 or 5 days earlier than official release, etc, etc.
For example: Battlefield 5 released on November 20th, 2018. Those who preordered the game not only go to play in the beta quite a bit, but the game for them opened up on November 8th, 2018. We got to play it a full 12 days before those that didn't preorder. It's a substantial jump in weapon experience as well as map/location experience. Not to mention knowing the in's and out's of how new mode's worked like airborne. @MephiticshepardYou are being a bit condescending and patronizing with that post, which makes you harder to empathize with.
I will add to your second paragraph the important point from history where EA DICE put the game on a huge sale almost immediately after the game was released, which gutted the value and worth of the pre-orders... and those who purchased them. So while you mention budgets and then also mention players gaining "weapon experience as well as map/location experience." , I think in hindsight most players would just rather not feel like they were bait-and-switched by EA DICE, instead of gaining experience in an game that was DOA.@DaizerNation I also encourage waiting till July 22nd. Much more information to make a decision with and the pre-orders will still be available for you if you so choose.
- @carsono311 Ya, I was trying to be condescending and patronizing, however not to be empathized with.
The comment, "I really am lost for words as to why people still pre order!
Are people scared they are going to run out of downloads," annoyed me to no ends and that's what I went with with the @ tag towards the person who said it.
I still preorder games because that way I know I don't have to worry about if I have it or not when it comes out, it's already downloaded and ready to go, and I typically preorder games I have a history from playing anyways, like Battlefield for example. From Software is another company I typically preorder from because I've been playing their games since Demon's Souls on the PS3.
Honestly, it's all a matter of perspective and personal situation imo. I am a 46 year old gamer but I realised long long ago pre ordering games just fuels devs releasing games in any state they seem fit!
And the old access to beta builds of the game is ridiculous because dice can literally change the game with patches on a whim, did you all not play battlefield v?
All your doing pre ordering is supporting bad business practices yet I bet these people are the first to complain when the game is full of bugs on release.
@MephiticshepardUnderstood.
I also enjoy pre-ordering still and am looking forward to this one. I agree that some people should not be so quick to write-off others... for any reason.@emerson1975 I would like to completely agree with you, except that pre-ordering also supports the continued development of the game moving forward. BF4 launched in a poor state, but the initial sales of it enabled and set the conditions for EA DICE to change it for the better, which made it arguably the best Battlefield game of all.
Also... patches are not created "on a whim"...
Me? I just get excited and makes me feel like it's happening now...
Patches have been created in a whim, every time people cry something is overpowered because they simply die by it they change it or even completely change the ttk of the game like they did with bfv.
What you play in a beta stage can be vastly different to what your playing 6 month later!
@emerson1975 If a month is "on a whim" to you... then sure. No one disagrees that the game can, and will, change... so I am not sure what your point is anymore.
So do you disagree that preorders support further game development?- @carsono311 pre orders do not help game developers at all……. In fact it gives them and publishers free reign to release unfinished games.
Further game development all depends on copies sold regardless of pre orders or not! @emerson1975The original game is getting made / developed regardless of pre-orders. It is up-front cost. So, pre-orders help to pay for that cost once they are processed.
Further, it is a pre-order, so the consumer takes on zero-cost, or risk if you like, until delivery of said-item. Additionally, a publisher / developer can see and gauge initial interest and pre-order sales to determine go / no-go criteria of follow-on development based on that data.
Are you really going to believe that the initial response to BFV did not affect it's following development or lack thereof?
I think you are willingly putting your head in the sand on this...- @carsono311 Well I find it really difficult to believe that a world leading company with a product than brings in close to £1Bn would set a launch date and only then decide if they are going to finish the product by the launch data based on how well the presales go. They may launch with a MVP while they sort issues arising from the Beta testing but non of this is dependent on presales. A smaller company maybe, who has a tight development budget, but not a company with the resources EA and Dice have.
@lzilchetlAm glad you get it
I don’t understand my self why anyone would pre order solely on marketing claims lol it’s ridiculous for a game that’s 70$
- @emerson1975 When game designers "patch" for the most part they a tweaking vairables - buffing, nerfing reskinning adjusting routines. Game structure is generally fixed by then and confirmed at/by Beta.
- @lzilchetl In battlefield v they changed a huge structure within the game in regards to TTK then 6 month later completely abandoned servers in the U.K.!
How people can think that’s acceptable bewilders me to be honest - @emerson1975 I played through the TTK issue and it did mess up the gameplay, but TTK is just a bunch of variables, numbers in an array, nothing to do with game structure. I've got around 800 hours of BFV. and never had trouble finding a server - so I don't really know much about servers being shut down.
@lzilchetlI agree with you... so I am not sure where you are going with this? At this point, I am kind of done talking through it... @emerson1975 seems pretty all-in on pre-orders = dumb , which is certainly an opinion that is not entirely unfounded, but it is not universal either.
- @lzilchetl I agree with you... so I am not sure what your point here is?
At this point, I am kind of done with this topic, @emerson1975 seems pretty all-in on pre-order = dumb. I will admit that recent history lends some validity to the argument, but it is still ultimately an opinion and certainly not a universal one. - @carsono311 fair do's I was just agreeing with you. I'm done also. Not exciting is it.
There's only one reason I would pre-order. Which is to get the Midnight skin so I can camp invisible in dark corners and get cheap kills. 😁
Edit: actually looking closer at the pre-order wording, it appears the stuff in the bottom picture is only pre-order content.
So I guess you don't even have to pre-order to get the Midnight skin. So yeah, feel free to play the beta and then decide if you want to buy the Ultimate Edition for cheap kills!
