Keyboard and mouse on consoles
Does the game have native support on PS5 for keyboard and mouse ?
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Why don't Console players just stay Console players (with a controller) and PC players stay PC players (with M&K) 😉
Both things are awesome. 🙌
If someone is already thinking of playing with M&K, why not just play on PC directly and buy the game for this platform if it feels more right to you. 🙂 (talking only for Battlefield/Shooters)
Anyways, if the Team says it won't be there just yet but they're still looking into this to try making it possible in a proper way. Then we just have to wait and see.
Greets,
Travis
@Its_Travis_199 So you mean that all PC users should play Fifa, Rocket League or any racing game with mouse and keyboard? Is this what you're trying to say? Or is this a "totally different matter" because in this case of course PC users should use the best input device for each game? So why should PC users are able / allowed to do that but console users not?
And if you would have observed the hardware prices (especially for graphic cards) in the recent past you would know that your statement "why not just buy a PC" is totally ludicrous.
And if you would have observed the hardware prices (especially for graphic cards) in the recent past you would know that your statement "why not just buy a PC" is totally ludicrous.
Like I said, all the work put on crossplay will go to waste if controller users arent given the option to play with a M&K. No one is going to play with a PC otherwise. I was expecting a decent mix for day 1 but nope, 2 hours in and barely any consoles on crossplay lobby. .
I downloaded the game for the open beta on my PC (GTX 970) and at 1024x768 and all low settings I tried joining a game and surprisingly I was able to run it at around 40 fps (maybe 50 at desolate spots) and it was the most fun I had playing this game and my eyes started tearing up. So much memories of the past BF games and this game is definitely well made and there is an insane amount of potential. So many small changes required but I'm sure DICE will pull it off. Noticed none of this when I played on my controller yesterday. I did worse than I did with a controller but had a LOT of fun. A LOT. Was able to react (FPS was my limiting factor, and my own reaction but still felt good), think on my feet, do some cool tricks and feel like being in a battlefield. I swear I felt none of it the past 2 days with a controller and it's so weird.
Devs please please please consider M&K for PS5. Put us in these crossplay lobbies vs PC. We don't want to ruin any controller user's experience. We'll just go play vs PC players and if controllers desire to play in a crossplay lobby it's their choice. I know you guys said it won't be supported at launch but please give it a chance.
Like somebody said, if you add keyboard and mouse support for console and put them in crossplay lobbies then there should not be a problem for anyone. What more is there to investiagte?
@FireExhauster wrote:Like I said, all the work put on crossplay will go to waste if controller users arent given the option to play with a M&K. No one is going to play with a PC otherwise. I was expecting a decent mix for day 1 but nope, 2 hours in and barely any consoles on crossplay lobby. .
Are you suggesting that low console players in crossplay is solely due to lack of KB&M?
- @Trokey66 No? I said no controller user will turn on crossplay and go against M&K users unless you add M&K support for those consoles to give something to them to level the playing field. Hacking is another issue with these lobbies but if M&K is supported and if a console user wants to use it then he knows what he is getting into and it's something he alone will face and not the rest of controller users. And trust me you will see A LOT of console users in crossplay lobby if M&K is natively supported provided such users are restricted to these lobbies. Going against hackers is nothing new to us. We are all mostly from a PC environment and we know what to expect.
I expected crossplay lobbies to be fully dominated by PC players but never expected that it would happen at day 1. Yes. I was from Xbox. Played 2 rounds.
Switched off cross play.
I did see a screenshot of the ps5 scoreboard with crossplay on and it had way more console players in the server compared to PC players.
On PC there were more PC players than console players in the lobby.
This seems to suggest EA/DICE/Respawn are planning on matchmaking console players and PC players into separate lobbies as much as possible.
I think calling DICE, EA/DICE/Respawn is accurate now. DICE sure has lost a lot of their independent decision making power as a studio after BFV.
I suppose rightfully so because DICE was being super arrogant during BFV and refusing to listen to anyone. EA probably had no choice but to come in and start clearing out upper management at DICE and replacing them with Respawn Studio execs.
I assume part of the beta lag was due to crossplay but I has 0 issues playing against PC players. Quite shocked how braindead my teammates were if I'm being honest - I guess that's how all these YouTubers keep getting amazing clips of running into a blind nest and easily picking everyone off...
I encourage everyone to try cross-play at least once but of course, turn that silly stuff off the moment you notice anything suspicious. Depending on how bad it actually is at launch I might need to rely on Portal if I want Jack's tags or to tbag Westie for the lulz- @OskooI_007 Im pretty sure the picture of mine was taken with my ps5. I have another picture as well to go with it. I hope I haven't messed it up and posted the wrong pic because I did play on both my pc and my ps5 and took plenty of screenshots on both. But I'm pretty sure everytime I turned on crossplay with ps5 it was full of PC players and I promptly turned it back off.
What you say could be possible but as time goes on the number of people opting out of crossplay will grow (because of M&K advantage and cheating issues) and eventually we will end up with the same result.
I'm not saying there will never be players who are willing to turn on crossplay and go against M&K players (like @TTZ_Dipsy ) which is all good but what difference does adding a M&K support to consoles do to them? They already play vs mouse and keyboard users anyway and if anything, more console M&K users in their crossplay lobby means less likely that they face a PC hacker. - @FireExhauster So that is actually a 'yes' then.
- @Trokey66 Be straight forward and make your point quickly instead of being vague and unnecessarily extending this please 🙂
- @FireExhauster I've made my point.
@Trokey66Dont see it anywhere. You mind quoting it here please? Like I said, being vague and subliminal messaging is not necessary here and doesn't help anyone. If anything it looks more personal to the others reading it. If you have something to say you need to be straight forward with it. And if I have a counter point I'll get straight to it too 🙂
- @FireExhauster What, and 'unnecessarily extend' this?
OK, you suggest that console players have turned of crossplay BECAUSE they can't use M&KB when it it highly probable that many (like my friends and I) don't want to play AGAINST M&KB under any circumstances. @Trokey66I never said people are turning off crossplay because there is no M&K support. I said people will 'turn on' crossplay (preferably should be forced on M&K users) if there is M&K support for consoles. It doesn't mean controller users are going to suddenly turn crossplay on and that's not what I am saying. I'm saying that after you add this support you should be able to open the player list and see a good amount of console players mixed in (who use a M&K to have fairness in input) with PC players unlike how it is now where people just turn it off after a couple of games because of the difference in input making crossplay lobbies more of a 'PC lobby'. And that's just one advantage of adding M&K support and there is plenty more.
Controller users will still have their own lobbies and in no way am I trying to take it away from them.- @FireExhauster Semantics. Either way, you are suggesting the low consoles numbers are based around inability to use M&KB.
I suggest that those numbers are relatively very low and the majority simply don't want to play against PC regardless of input method available. @Trokey66I don't understand the point that you are trying to make. It's like saying a colorblind option shouldn't be added because the majority isn't colorblind and so will not use this option. This support genuinely helps a lot of people enjoy the game and just because you won't use it doesn't mean others won't. You need to come terms with the fact that not every person is the same and will have different preferences.
A significant number of people in COD uses M&K on consoles. And that includes the people who don't really need a M&K support but will use them if available. The more non vocal ones. More people in fortnite, overwatch and Halo use M&K on consoles than you realize and there have been less to no complaints regarding this feature (except the occasional "High MMR is full of M&K players", and battlefield will not have this issue because of two different lobbies). Where's your evidence that this support wouldn't add more players to a crossplay lobby? Do you have any specific game in mind where this didnt work? Remember that people who couldn't get to use a M&K on consoles are the ones who turn to an adapter. Just a minority of them but even this 'small' percentage was high enough for the entire console community to turn heads and consider this a problem.
You cannot just project your mindset onto other people and say that this is what the majority thinks when in reality neither one of us can do that. It is important to respect other people's opinion and preferences. And it is important to have factual evidence to support your claims. Besides adding a M&K is just an extra choice.. an accessibility option (similar to a colorblind setting). It isn't forcing anything on you. It's for the people who prefer to use that input. Doesn't mean you have to. You still have your own controller lobbies to play with.
I suggest that the console numbers will rise up significantly in a crossplay lobby if M&K support is added. You are underestimating the number of people who find this support really helpful and this number will only increase from there on.
Oh.. and like I said this is just ONE of the many advantages of M&K. I can't think of a single negative to it. What you are trying to do is not say that it is negative but say it's not as big of a positive as I think it is and while I disagree because of reasons above, it's still a positive thing at the end of the day regardless of how small it is.@FireExhausterI can't project but you can have an entire thread projecting?
OK....Of course the M&KB tryhards will turn on crossplay if M&KB is enabled, I didn't say they won't. But you can suggest that most didn't because of that almost as fact. When I suggest the number will be significantly less because most console players don't want to play against PC regardless of input method, I'm projecting and/or have no evidence.
Read the forums, especially those regarding crossplay.
- @OskooI_007 I didn't see a scoreboard while playing the Beta, but I never saw a PC player in my squad, the whole time I played - only Xbox and PS
- @Trokey66 Like I already said.. I only said more people will use crossplay if there is M&K support and not what you said. Believe it or not, what you say or what I say are two different things. Asking someone to pick only positive numbers and asking someone to not pick any negative numbers are different even though they might seem the same at first glance. It's just pure fact.
Idk where you get this notion of M&K users being tryhards but I can tell you that's not true. There are a good mix of tryhards and casual players on PC and in a console (I have played in both so I can tell you this with certainty). In fact I've seen more people sliding around crazy in my PS5 games and some very oblivious people doing weird gimmicks in my PC games. And if console users start using a M&K it's only because they are comfortable with it. It doesn't give you any other advantage especially when you are going against people using similar input.
The number will of course be less than the people who prefer controller only lobby it's quite obvious. The percentage of people who use M&K will be small but the number of people that comprise of that 'small' percentage WILL be big enough to have a significant impact on a crossplay lobby. You will never know until you add this support. I can only quote other popular shooter games who have implemented this successfully with no backlash and you are yet to tell me games that . We already have data of how crossplay will be without M&K support and it lacks console users. When you add this support, you will see more variety of platforms in a crossplay lobby and while I can't give an exact number, I can tell you that there will be a significant improvement in variety. Only one way to find out. - @Trokey66 what is your problem if kb&m is added to consoles for seperate lobbys?
- @NoTimeToDecide As long as I is locked to crossplay servers, I care little but.....
When people use flaw supposition posing as fact to try to support their case, I interject. - @Trokey66 You are yet to tell me why it's flawed. I've given you examples so it's your turn. Which game had this support that received a lot of backlash?
And let me get this clear.. as long as M&K support is locked to crossplay you are fine with this support right? That's all is needed. Confirmation that you are actually not against adding this support. Just to make it clear to the devs if they read this.
People are not against adding this support and there are people who want this support to be added. So it seems like a no brainer to add this. Your competitors have done it with great success. This addition will definitely increase sales. Also it makes the game more accessible to a lot of us. People who are comfortable using a M&K, people who cannot hold a controller are all benefitted from it. So please consider adding this support as soon as you can. - @FireExhauster I have but as you have done through out this thread, you have chosen to ignore it.
- @Trokey66 Ignore what? I've addressed everything you said. I've made counter points to your statement and you are yet to tackle that. I haven't ignored anything. It's your turn to go now. Which popular game added M&K support that was met with backlash?
The reason you gave for why my argument was flawed is because you and your friends won't turn on crossplay even when there is M&K support. I can also say that me and my friends will ONLY turn on crossplay if there is M&K support. But in my case I have other popular games that have implemented this support to strengthen my claims. And logically the number of console users that will be in a crossplay lobby WILL naturally increase when M&K support is added and it makes the game more accessible for a lot more people.
And if all this doesn't convince you the only thing that will is live data. Adding M&K support to consoles temporarily to collect data. And if it breaks the game balance or if there is massive backlash to it then go ahead and remove this support. But not giving it a chance at all is just unfair. We have data of how crossplay will be without M&K support. Now let's collect data of how it performs with this support. We both can debate hours on end but at the end of the day, nothing is more factual than live data. But again, M&K support should be added to know for sure.
