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I think that popularity of this topic is sending clear message to DICE/EA.
When they decided to make game online only, they had to accept the possibility of a negative feedbacks from many players. Previous Battlefield titles all had some kind of campaign which we were able to play offline. Although players have been asking for offline bots mode for years, Battlefield 2042 will be title where I personally draw the line and will not buy game, if there wont be some kind of offline mode at some point.
Renting a game is just nonsense and this is not true Battlefield anymore in my opinion.
@TerofishyIt has been a long time since anyone has 'owned' a game, you own a License to use the software and this can be revoked anytime.
- 4 years ago@Trokey66 yeah but how many times do you see that happen? Single player games are basically the same, but they don't care as long as you paid them for it lol.
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace@ArchAngeL-PCX Very true however some on here think they own the game, they don't, that is the point I am making.
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Trokey66 We own the physical disc/digital download of the game. What you're talking about is Intellectual Property. Pretty much every publisher intentionally treats a game you buy as a service instead of goods, which is why there's DRM and the aforementioned license to run the software on your console. It's dishonest, since we actually paid money to obtain the copy of the game, and things don't seem to be changing anytime soon.
- 4 years ago
@Trokey66They'll get it when their online only game gets shut down lol.
I played Marvel Heroes Omega for 4 years and in an instant it was gone. One of the main creators talked about how odd it felt because with other games he made he could at least replay it and show someone. But he spent like 7 years on Marvel Heroes, and its just gone. Servers shut down and no game to show for it or anyone to play. And everything players bought in game got shut down with it.
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@ArchAngeL-PCX All the more reason for offline bots in Battlefield.
- 4 years ago@ChrisAWJBethel Exactly. Like in Battlefront 2. If EA shuts that game's servers down, you can still play Supremacy, Co-op, Starfighter Assault, standard Arcade modes, and the single player all offline.
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@ArchAngeL-PCX Actually, Supremacy, Campaign, and Arcade are the only modes available offline.
- 4 years ago@ChrisAWJBethel You pay money to get permission (a license) to use someone else's property (the game). You don't own the game (software, code) just because you bought its container (the disc). Same goes for music.
- 4 years ago@ChrisAWJBethel Co-op is indeed available offline. I've played it. I'm pretty sure they added Starfighter Assault offline too. Both are selections in the arcade.
- 4 years ago
@ChugKendallTrue, but again this is a moot point because how often do you actually see a game retailer "revoke" your license to a game you bought? lol You buy the game and go home, or download it. That was the whole controversy behind DRM since DRM and "always online" is basically the only way to shut someone down from playing what usually is an offline game. Same thing in music.
- 4 years ago
@ArchAngeL-PCXThe retailer doesn't own the game, so they can't revoke anything; it is up to the owner to do that, and they usually do it through policing agreements with their network partners. But as the owner, the company should be able to do whatever they want with their product, anyway--including telling you that you are no longer allowed to use it. You agreed to all of the the terms involved when you voluntarily purchased a limited license to play it. If you didn't want to be bound by any terms, you had the choice to keep your money. Instead, you wanted to play the game, and be bound, more than you wanted your money in your wallet--or your convictions intact.
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace
@ChrisAWJBethelRead the Terms and conditions. You don't own the game's software, you have a license to use it in the same way you buy a license to use MS Word or Excel for example.
As to revoking the license this could include being caught cheating, altering the code or unauthorised copying. These do happen regularly.
It could also include shutting the game down for whatever reason and you won't have a leg to stand on because you accepted and 'signed' the terms and conditions when you bought the license.
- 4 years ago@ChugKendall Your reading WAY too much into what I posted. lol
We all know what an EULA is. The point is, they'll never care enough to come shut a single player game down on you. lol You'll be able to play it as long as you have a working console. So this is just a circular argument of semantics.
See Sony's "Used game policy" from their now classic PS4 E3 conference of 2013 for more info. lol - 4 years ago@Trokey66 I don't think I've ever heard of a software company shutting down someone's license unless they detect malicious activity. But yeah they can shut the servers down which is a big argument for having the ability to play offline. Not sure it will be a problem with BF2042 though, given that people are still playing BF3 online after a decade. lol
- tyl04134 years agoSeasoned VeteranImagine using the TOS as a justification to why corporations taking your stuff is okay. They won't and literally can't take a physical or DRM free game away and they shouldn't. If i buy something that copy is mine. it's unethical and just wrong and should be illegal as well, imagine if with anything other than software you'd need to constantly keep asking the manufacturer for permission to keep using said product and as soon as they decline they just take it away like it was never even there.
- 4 years ago@tyl0413 @tyl0413 The market abhors a vacuum, so--without government prohibiting it--there will always be someone with a product to fill that void. If people refuse to buy games (or anything else) that can be shut down, someone will come along and try to get all that money that gamers are withholding. Currently, there aren't anywhere near enough gamers that are concerned enough to withhold their money, so there isn't enough incentive for the change.
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@ArchAngeL-PCX wrote:
@ChrisAWJBethelCo-op is indeed available offline. I've played it. I'm pretty sure they added Starfighter Assault offline too. Both are selections in the arcade.See the attached pictures.
- ChrisAWJBethel4 years agoSeasoned Ace@ChugKendall Why do you and @Trokey66 think this is okay? It's not okay, it's oppressive and deceitful.
- 4 years ago@ChrisAWJBethel How is creating a game for you to enjoy "oppressive and deceitful"? I have to say, I am truly amazed by your response.
The company tells you, upfront, everything about how they will manage the product--the product that they own and can do with whatever they wish--in the TOS & EULA. If you don't like the terms and conditions, you are completely free to take your money and do something else with it--like buy a competitor's game, and hit them where it hurts most: the bank account. Or you could save that money for a rainy day, take someone out to a nice dinner, get some new clothes, etc. The possibilities are endless, and for you alone to decide!
So, again, how is knowing all the terms ahead of time, knowing the company's track record as you do, and being completely free to choose what you will do with your money, "oppressive and deceitful"? - 4 years ago
@ChrisAWJBethel See the article:
After 2+ Years of Free Content, the Vision for Battlefront™II is Now Complete
Co-op was brought to offline play. Like I said I played it. Here's the quote from the article:
"We’re bringing the experience you get in Co-Op to offline solo play, too! Instead of teaming up with other players online, this version will let you play exclusively with and against AI on all Co-Op enabled locations. This new way to play will be included as an option in Instant Action." - 4 years ago
@ChrisAWJBethelYou find it in the single player Arcade settings where Instant Action is. That's where you'll find Starfighter Assault offline too.
The screen shots you attached are from the main multiplayer menus. - Jesse1654 years agoSeasoned Ace
Going to end it right here with my Final Argument. Really hope the Community Managers and others from EA and DICE read this:
I can completely understand and accept having to be online and connected to the servers in order to play with friends.
What we are asking for is that the Solo SinglePlayer Bot Matches be playable offline. That's frickin it !!!
How does us playing offline effect others in any way whatsoever?
The only correct answer is that it doesn't !!!
It doesn't take away any "online features" either because we are still playing the Same Maps and Modes as everyone else.
Heck the Solo Bot Matches themselves are already in the game from the start !!!
All we are asking for is that we can eventually play them offline as well for those that have slow internet and especially for when the servers themselves are down !!!
The servers will go down. They are still broken in Both TitanFall games and on Xbox at least they are still down for Battlefields 4 and 1 as well. This is Unacceptable !!!
They will probably be overwhelmed for Day 1 just like the launches for every other multiplayer game so far.
If so then the game will be completely unplayable no matter how good your own internet is... Unless we can play it offline.
This is why they are needed the most. I really want to get the Ultimate Edition to support DICE for adding the Bot Matches finally. But a big part of me doesn't want to pay $100+ for something that is completely unplayable when the servers are down... It really is as simple as that.
- Jesse1654 years agoSeasoned Ace
@ChrisAWJBethelAnd for the record the Attack and Defend Missions in Instant Action Offline are the COOP Missions from your first picture.
- Trokey664 years agoSeasoned Ace@ChrisAWJBethel Why agree to something that you know is 'oppressive and deceitful'?
As @ChugKendall says, it's your choice to accept and abide by the ToS or go somewhere else.