I know that I will probably get some hate for this, but I think that the gunplay has become too 'good' (I play on PC btw).The recoil-fix has really improved the gunplay a lot, aiming has become easier after the patch and the effective range of weapons have increased a lot (at least LMGs/ARs).The gunplay really feels good, but combined with the awful netcode, any chance of escaping gun-fire has almost disappeared now. The TTD feels more like playing hardcore BF than 'normal' BF.I'm personally not a fan of a lot of spread (like BF1/BF4) but then perhaps some randomness to recoil (I know that is bad too, but still better than spread), like in BFV.BFV ended up having good gun-play with reasonable TTK/TTD and perhaps they should look more at how that was balanced.

@cso7777 TTK / TTD has been broke since release. Fixing the recoil bug is great, however being beaned by a package of bullets is coding not recoil. It’s the online compensation that Dice has created that needs to be fixed IMO.

@cso7777 TTK/TTD doesn't really match up on PS or XBox with any regular consistency so I can only imagine this is going to make an already strained netcode even worse.I imagine Dice will make some alterations to gun play, although given how popular BF4 & BF1 were I think they'll add spread. The gunplay in BFV was quite a contentious topic as I remember it, not to mention the changes that caused uproar within the community.

@BFB-PraetorianI don't think they should increase the TTK by lowering damage, then we just get the problem of 'bullet-sponging' and making the guns feels like pea-shooters (like some of the failed BFV-TTK-experiments from Dice).But I think that making the guns harder to control, would be the ideal solution. This could be done by increasing recoil (in automatic fire especially). Perhaps we could even bring back tap-fire (like in BF4).

@OskooI_007 I think the spread during the longer burst is a good idea but I think it needs to be more than just tweaking the accuracy of these weapons. Each type of weapon should have different traits. For example, with the SMG should be good hip firing and accurate to about 20m any distance after that they can't hit anything accurately(you could also add a moment bonus because of the size of most SMGs). Have the ARs be good close to mid-range but with a slower ADS, less accurate hip fire, and depending on the AR if it is good long distance. Bring the suppression mechanic back to the LMGs with the caveat that they are only really accurate with a bipod and prone to overheat. As for sniper rifles, they should be accurate only in crouching and prone but not able to rapidly fire accurate shots in succession. Marksmen Rifles can be a toss-up between ARs and Sniper Rifles.

@cso7777BF5 guns had the luxury of low RPM thanks to WW2 settings. There were no ARs/SMGs with 40+ round mags firing at 800-1000 round per minute. So even if a weapon had super fast RPM such as M2 Carbine or FG42, they usually had low mags and higher recoil.There were of course MMGs. I think people still haven't forgiven Dice this unholy playstyle of camping in a corner with a laser-accurate weapon that had no recoil and 200 rounds at the readyBut I do agree with you. After this patch it became very easy to control the recoil. I'd say bumping recoil for some of the high RPM guns like M5A3 with a short barrel, AW40, Avancys and such by 5-10% wouldn't be a bad change.

Nice recoil fix - but effective TTK is perhaps a little too low now.

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hollamf
3 years ago
@doubleome The net code issue does not help either. A post earlier also mentioned head glitching cover as a problem as well. One of the biggest factors IMO is there are not that many high-skill weapons in the game, they are just point-and-spray for 75 percent of them. You should not be able to bounce around like you are on a pogo stick and still land headshots 100m away with an LMG or sniper rifle. I know it is not a mil simulator but they should factor some realism in standing takes away shooting accuracy by multitudes, let alone running and jumping with a weapon.
BFB-Praetorian
Seasoned Veteran
3 years ago
@RaginSam Seems like the best idea. Just a bullet or two more would make all the difference

It would be good if Dice set up a CTE to test out different TTK's to work out at what point the netcode starts to buckle or matchmake via ping?

They already have community members installing damage logs for in game data, make it a prerequisite to instal and submit your results, in return the participant gets a unique skin or some Boins.
EA_Atic
DICE Team
3 years ago
Speaking historically about changing TTK on Battlefield hasn't been the most positive feedback that's been given from the commuinty. Are you sure you want this changed?

Do you want to take 1 more bullet before death, two? Why do you want to see the change?

Is it you shooting the person or you dying that you like to be changed?

/Atic
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@EA_Atic If I had to choose between making guns feel worse or increasing TTK, I’d always pick increasing TTK.

I think it’s pretty spot on where it’s at. The optimal TTK is pretty low, but that’s optimal. Most opponents are moving around and not making themselves easy targets. The other component of this is map design. Which is getting better with the added cover.

I don’t want a game where half of the guns are basically unusable because of insane recoil and spread. It doesn’t raise the skill ceiling, it’s just one single aspect of a shooter, one particular skill. Positioning, awareness, game knowledge are way more important than how well I can yank my mouse down.
BFB-Praetorian
Seasoned Veteran
3 years ago
@EA_Atic I'd like the TTK/TTD to match.

I won't go into what the game experience is like, there's a 113 page thread that goes into what the game experience is like.

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Hit-reg-issues-TTK-vs-TTD-inconsistency/td-p/11115087/jump-to/first-unread-message

What I would like is an improved performance, whether that was in the form of more bullets to kill, spread or recoil, ping locked servers, I don't really care.

If I may ask what was the feedback from the damage logs community members provided?

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Nice recoil fix - but effective TTK is perhaps a little too low now.

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