Please No random bullet spread!
Man 2042 got be so hyped that I went back from more or less only playing R6S to playing some battlefield 4.
The random spray recoil patterns are so unbelievably frustrating. Knowing my sight in on...
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@Trokey66RNG inherently introduces a skill cap because its random ie. not controllable... There is absolutely no reason your bullets should not land on your reticle. I'm not saying guns should not have recoil, that would be stupid, but the gun its self should introduce that inaccuracy, not an RNG mechanic that makes your bullets not land on the point that you're aiming at...
if im aiming at a target and I have perfect recoil control so that my reticle stays on the exact same point the entire time im shooting, there is no reasonable reason that my bullets should be spread out in a random circle. period.
Its annoying and is not based in reality.
I also don't know why you think removing the RNG removes the need for trigger control...
Also, mitigating spread mechanics is still there, its just based on actual weapon recoil instead of RNG
@Neovisi0n "random is not controlled"
Do you mean recoil or spread.
BF4 had what some called visual recoil it meant barrel and scope actual had different recoil and spread.
BF1 did not have this but had increase spread which could be controlled by ROF.
Had the most realistic bullet performance.
BF5 switch this to recoil which can be controlled by player(programs) and had a non-centre return which is important factor for a follow up shoot on slow ROF weapons.
You say guns need inaccuracy(recoil) that is the one thing many guns have improved over time. Precision(spread) is starting to be overcome with smart bullets and yes the spread cone is real. If you want you can look up precision and accuracy to see what I am talking about.
Anyway we need to look at what guns do in game, spread is applied to the bullet before and when the bullet is in flight. Recoil is applied to the weapon(next bullet) after the bullet is fired.
We need to stop looking at a one type fits all scheme.
Let's look at the first shot facts like movement(spread), position(spread) and weapon barrelling(spread) are factors for pre-fire. Drag, gravity, distance are flight issues.
When you have a zero spread with huge recoil weapon will have the same precision at 100m or 10,000m. So sniper rifle no matter how much random recoil is used will never become inaccurate.
Adding spread to low ROF weapons is a must. This spread will also help limit range.
While a no spread and some recoil sound good for high ROF. There is a serious problem.
That is single fire mode and burst control would make these weapon way more accurate then a single fire weapons. So a level of spread is going to be needed.
DICE needs to look at 2 settings for modern weapons for select fire mode or create a level of spread that makes slight worse in single fire than single shot weapons.
I leave it there as more detail information is required.
I believe that the best recoil should be a really strong recoil that forces trigger discipline on anything other than very close ranges.
Also a recoil that increases when one shoots while moving to highlight the more unsteady footing.
Random or not, the no lifers and recoil macro users will learn the recoil and start to laser people like in BFV. So it needs to be strong enough that they cannot do that.
- @DingoKillr Maybe I should change the title to say spread rather than recoil.
I'm talking about the distinct point that the bullet hits in comparison to the placement of the reticle at the time the bullet leaves the barrel.
In reality in the field (negating weapon maintenance and such), these two at not always going to be on top of each other due to environmental effects and bullet spin, however, even these effects are often predictable and only take a notable effect at long ranges. to replicate these effects in software would require active simulation, which I think we can agree this is not something that should realistically be added in a videogame like battlefield.
RNG spread is NOT a good substitute for this, in a 15m engagement, the deviation in bullet spread is not going to cause a bullet to hit several inches away from where you're aiming... there are plenty of ways of balancing weapons without introducing RNG mechanics. - @UP_Hawxxeye core gameplay mechanics should not be designed with the aim of combating cheaters (like macro users) IMO
- @Neovisi0n No, there is not plenty of ways.
If you missing in 15m is on you. I can't think of one single weapon in any BF that would miss at 15m. Unless your jumping around.
F88 is accurate to 500m IRL you can't have that in a game at full auto. So you need something like spread to reduce that range. - @Neovisi0n both cheaters and far too dedicated players affect the experience of others the same way though
