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Poor Graphics Quality, or is it just me ?

Hi. Just wondering. I seem to remember when they were developing the PS5 they were bragging about how good the graphics quality was going to be on the PS5, and also that with the new system archite...
  • ElliotLH's avatar
    7 months ago

    Hey @Pryces_WRLD Going on memory, I don't think Dice gave an in-depth reason why it wasn't added. I seem to remember them saying that they'd monitor balance between KB&M and controller users, but I might be remembering incorrectly.

    Personally, I think native support on console with crossplay being split by input method is the way to go.

    Anecdotally, you could use a keyboard for movement on Xbox during either the alpha or beta - it was one of the things I tested on mine during one of them.

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?","id":"message:7186634","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":11,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:5211056"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:7186634"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7186634"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":" Hi. Just wondering. I seem to remember when they were developing the PS5 they were bragging about how good the graphics quality was going to be on the PS5, and also that with the new system archite...","body@stringLength":"846","rawBody":"

Hi.

Just wondering.

I seem to remember when they were developing the PS5 they were bragging about how good the graphics quality was going to be on the PS5, and also that with the new system architecture that it was also going to be easier for developers to make new games because of the way they had made changes.

And yet when I play 2042, which isn't very often because it frizzes me off with all the stupid things they have done / not done that needed doing from the get-go, I find that the graphics look pretty rubbish.

As a contrast, play something like TLOU P2 etc, where the quality is far superior, and Horizon etc, and yet when I do play 2042 I'm always left thinking that the graphics are pretty rubbish. Heck, even BF1 had better graphics, or am I miss remembering that one?

Your thoughts ⇒

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I don't know if it's the programing, CPU, GPU, netcode or what, all I know is the new Frostbite engine is not a pretty as the last games. This game suffers poor graphics quality throughout.

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The bird comparison was meant to be humorous. I agree that map design is more important than graphics.

Upgrading Battlefield's Frostbite game engine to take advantage of solid state drives would bring huge improvements to graphics and level design. DICE could stream in assets off the SSD instead of the current situation where they have a limit on how many assets they can place in a map due to limited storage space in RAM.

I was excited when I heard 2042 was going to have 128 player multiplayer. I imagined great looking maps with lots of vehicles everywhere. Instead we got big empty maps with very few vehicles due to a limit on how many assets and vehicles can fit into RAM.

I also don't understand what it is about Battlefield's destructible buildings that limit map design so much. Don't get me wrong I love destruction in Battlefield, but all the buildings in Battlefield usually look the same. When you walk inside there's hardly any furniture or decorations. It would be nice to have more variety when it comes to buildings in Battlefield.

Maybe SSD streaming could solve these issues. I don't think that will happen until EA stops making Battlefield games on older generation consoles with 5,400 RPM hard drives.

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The bird comparison was meant to be humorous. I agree that map design is more important than graphics.

Upgrading Battlefield's Frostbite game engine to take advantage of solid state drives would bring huge improvements to graphics and level design. DICE could stream in assets off the SSD instead of the current situation where they have a limit on how many assets they can place in a map due to limited storage space in RAM.

I was excited when I heard 2042 was going to have 128 player multiplayer. I imagined great looking maps with lots of vehicles everywhere. Instead we got big empty maps with very few vehicles due to a limit on how many assets and vehicles can fit into RAM.

I also don't understand what it is about Battlefield's destructible buildings that limit map design so much. Don't get me wrong I love destruction in Battlefield, but all the buildings in Battlefield usually look the same. When you walk inside there's hardly any furniture or decorations. It would be nice to have more variety when it comes to buildings in Battlefield.

Maybe SSD streaming could solve these issues. I don't think that will happen until EA stops making Battlefield games on older generation consoles with 5,400 RPM hard drives.

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@OskooI_007All are good points. I seem to remember a video/post early on after launch where someone was looking at one of the bolts in the floor on Orbital, and they were showing the art design of it and how many polys/vertices it had and were emphasizing that the effort that was taken to make these bolts was large including the amount of it that needed to render for something that could have just been a texture. Multiply that one bolt to dozens/hundreds in a location and you have a performance optimization issue.

I too was initially (cautiously) optimistic at the premise of a 128 player map, but when you saw all of the limitations that were found (as you and @Lady_One mentioned the empty rooms/buildings/lack of clutter) it felt so lifeless. There were \"houses\" in the desert that at most had a ladder in them. Office area with maybe a single desk.

TL;DR, in agreement, technically the game is ahead of the other games of the series. But the design and the limitations that those design decisions caused (as well as the pivot from a BR to \"normal\" battlefield title, covid, etc) it led to needing to focus on other areas and getting these maps/game types/etc shipped before it would have ideally been playtested and ready.

edit: found a reddit thread discussing what I mentioned -- 

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/utgnxi/bf2042_has_insane_amounts_of_unnecessary/

Obvious grain of salt in either case, and there's arguments in the thread discussing the methods and their pros/* [the initial OP+imgur link was deleted, but the content of the thread is still there discussing]. 

So it's possible that the extra details in the small objects are not affecting the performance, but it doesn't answer why the levels were so sterile otherwise outside of just not having the time to design levels/maps that felt \"lived in\".

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@OskooI_007All are good points. I seem to remember a video/post early on after launch where someone was looking at one of the bolts in the floor on Orbital, and they were showing the art design of it and how many polys/vertices it had and were emphasizing that the effort that was taken to make these bolts was large including the amount of it that needed to render for something that could have just been a texture. Multiply that one bolt to dozens/hundreds in a location and you have a performance optimization issue.

I too was initially (cautiously) optimistic at the premise of a 128 player map, but when you saw all of the limitations that were found (as you and @Lady_One mentioned the empty rooms/buildings/lack of clutter) it felt so lifeless. There were \"houses\" in the desert that at most had a ladder in them. Office area with maybe a single desk.

TL;DR, in agreement, technically the game is ahead of the other games of the series. But the design and the limitations that those design decisions caused (as well as the pivot from a BR to \"normal\" battlefield title, covid, etc) it led to needing to focus on other areas and getting these maps/game types/etc shipped before it would have ideally been playtested and ready.

edit: found a reddit thread discussing what I mentioned -- 

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/utgnxi/bf2042_has_insane_amounts_of_unnecessary/

Obvious grain of salt in either case, and there's arguments in the thread discussing the methods and their pros/* [the initial OP+imgur link was deleted, but the content of the thread is still there discussing]. 

So it's possible that the extra details in the small objects are not affecting the performance, but it doesn't answer why the levels were so sterile otherwise outside of just not having the time to design levels/maps that felt \"lived in\".

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The birds were never meant to be seen up close, that was a bug - they spawned in your face, or *inside terrain*. This does not happen anymore. In contrast, you are very likely to see a nut up close when you take cover behind some random metal thing with nuts on it. I'd have assumed this goes without saying but, a nut is trivial to model. It's a circle, optionally with another circle in it and optionally with smoothed off tips. Takes like 1 minute, slap on it a generic scratched metal texture and done, nut. A bird is not trivial to model.","body@stringLength":"1029","rawBody":"@Anobix This is wrong. The reddit thread was deleted, and the top reply on it explains why it's wrong. 2042 is NOT GPU bound. Every modern game has LODs, if not better. Nuts being highpoly is irrelevant. You look at them up close, that's great, 100m away they probably vanish or turn into a quad and whatever has them has a nut-colored splotch where the nut was.

The birds were never meant to be seen up close, that was a bug - they spawned in your face, or *inside terrain*. This does not happen anymore. In contrast, you are very likely to see a nut up close when you take cover behind some random metal thing with nuts on it. I'd have assumed this goes without saying but, a nut is trivial to model. It's a circle, optionally with another circle in it and optionally with smoothed off tips. Takes like 1 minute, slap on it a generic scratched metal texture and done, nut. A bird is not trivial to model.","author":{"__ref":"User:user:5171047"},"isEscalated":null,"postTime":"2024-12-09T20:59:45.059Z","parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:7186640"}},"ForumReplyMessage:message:7186642":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:7186642","revisionNum":1,"uid":7186642,"depth":5,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:7186634"},"subject":"Re: Poor Graphics Quality, or is it just me ?","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:7186642"},"body":"@Lady_One I'm not saying that nuts are not trivial to model, the point was that the complexity of the model was far more complex than it needed to be. It was what led to a discussion that if there's that much wasted effort and polys modeling a simple nut then who knows what else could have been causing other slowdown issues. But I admitted in my post above, that it can be taken somewhat with a grain of salt with the discussion points that were made in the thread [the entire thread was not deleted, just the OP, you can still read all of the replies/sub-threads that are being discussed].

I don't know enough about the Frostbite engine or changes that they had to make during development and while pivoting to a new version before launch to know if there were limitations or complications that they couldn't tackle. I personally never had many performance issues with the game (5900x + 3080, even at 4K as long as settings were reasonable) but I know many people did. In either case, I think the worst part of it all (as I noted in my reply above) was the overall sterility/emptiness of the environments, which are largely better since the redesign (aka 'lets add some shipping containers to make cover everywhere')","body@stringLength":"1342","rawBody":"@Lady_One I'm not saying that nuts are not trivial to model, the point was that the complexity of the model was far more complex than it needed to be. It was what led to a discussion that if there's that much wasted effort and polys modeling a simple nut then who knows what else could have been causing other slowdown issues. But I admitted in my post above, that it can be taken somewhat with a grain of salt with the discussion points that were made in the thread [the entire thread was not deleted, just the OP, you can still read all of the replies/sub-threads that are being discussed].

I don't know enough about the Frostbite engine or changes that they had to make during development and while pivoting to a new version before launch to know if there were limitations or complications that they couldn't tackle. I personally never had many performance issues with the game (5900x + 3080, even at 4K as long as settings were reasonable) but I know many people did. 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