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VOLBANKER_PC's avatar
VOLBANKER_PC
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago

PP-29 needs a nerf

Please take a look at these numbers:

TTK (out to 50 m.):

1. PBX-45 CC:

0-19: 200 ms

20-29: 267 ms

30-39: 334 ms

40-74: 401 ms

2. AC-9 CC/CCE:

0-19: 223 ms

20-39: 278 ms

40-49: 334 ms

3. PP-29 STD:

0-29: 245 ms,

30-49: 327 ms

AMMO MAG:

1. PP-29 STD: 65

2. AC-9 CC EXT: 41

3. PBX-45 CC: 36

RELOAD SPEED:

1. PP-29 STD: 2,05 empty, 1,71 tactical

2. AC-9 CC: 2,29 empty, 1,94 tactical

3. PBX-45 CC: 2,53 empty, 2,07 tactical

4. AC-9 CC EXT: 2,54 empty, 2,16 tactical

BULLET SPEED:

1. PP-29 STD: 450, 395 wrapped

2. AC9 CC/CCE: 420, 355 wrapped

3. PBX-45 CC: 400, 340 wrapped

SUMMARY:

PP-29 has 65 bullets, which is 58% more than AC9 CC EXT and 80% more than PBX-45 CC.

PP-29 has fastest reload.

PP-29 has fastest bullet speed.

PP-29’s TTK at 0-19 metres is beaten by PBX-45 CC and AC-9 CC/CCE, although for the latter the difference is somewhat smallish (223 ms. for AC9 CC/CCE vs. 245 ms for PP-29)

PP-29’s TTK at 20-29 metres beats both PBX-45 CC and AC-9 CC/CCE, although for the former the difference is somewhat smallish (245 ms for PP-29 vs. 267 ms. for the PBX-45 CC)

No wonder so many are using the PP-29!

Not much reason to use anything else SMG-wise tbh.

10 Replies

  • Suggested balancing re: PP-29:

    1) Reload speed changed from 2,05 empty, 1,71 tactical to for example 2,60 empty, 2,20 tactical.

    This means that, yes, you get some nice big magazines with the PP-29, but it’s balanced by making reload relatively slow.

    So you have to think about reload, and when to fire your last bullets or to reload tactically instead.

    2) Bullet speed changed.

    Right now it’s: PP-29 STD: 450, 395 wrapped

    Suggestion: PP-29 STD: 410, 350 wrapped.

    That puts it nicely in the middle between AC9 and PBX-45.

    After these two changes, see how it plays then. It should make it more balanced.

  • ATFGunr's avatar
    ATFGunr
    Legend
    2 years ago
    @VOLBANKER_PC You did a ton of work there to make your case. At this stage of the game though, do you think they’re going to make any other changes? Haven’t they basically closed the doors?
  • sk1lld's avatar
    sk1lld
    Legend
    2 years ago

    I never feel comfortable calling something to be nerfed. It always doesn't end well. Balance gets messed up.

  • @sk1lld This! People will flock to something else. If enough people start using that something else it won’t take long before people start complaining that everybody is using it.
  • @VOLBANKER_PC I don't see the point of comparing TTK metrics by milliseconds beyond ~10 meters. You are not killing anyone with any gun in .33s at 45m unless you get lucky or were maybe prone with an LMG. There is a lot of spread. Sadly there is no good spread visualization like in CS2. In my experience other SMGs, particularly the PBX or the AC-9, are simply more accurate, especially given their underbarrel slot that the PP-29 lacks.

    I can maybe see the reloads being a bit too quick, but that's it. You're comparing CC ammo to standard. Standard PBX ammo has even faster bullet velocity, and matches the PP-29 in TTK up to 10m.
  • I’m not complaining about the damage any weapon deals as long as it’s within the appropriate range. What drives me crazy is that SMGs are effective at long range. Why should people use other weapons?

    The current meta is short-range and small maps. People have no reason to use other weapons. What am I going to do on a 100-meter map? These days, I see crazies using NTW inside the tunnel. It’s absurd, really.

  • GrizzGolf's avatar
    GrizzGolf
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    That was some good work, but the game is over friend. They wont touch anything like that. Everything now is in the "it is what is it" era 

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