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HJ_Spacewar
Rising Adventurer
4 years ago

Priorities

Not to beat a dead horse but I am simply shocked by what is getting fixed and what is getting ignored. 

Personally I would much rather have a server browser and squad management than an updated scoreboard, voip and map tweaks. 

Persistent servers and squad management seems like it would greatly improve retention and overall fun. I usually just quit playing after 2 or 3 half matches with no squad play. 

I feel like I must be in the minority since they are working on everything but these items. 

18 Replies

  • BR-DuaneDibbley's avatar
    BR-DuaneDibbley
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @TAW_Rinko
    On point, I'd say. Especially to this: "I don't think Dice realize that they're not just going to get forgiven this time. That they wont be able to just move onto the next game, leaving a very large number of people with an unfinished game they paid premium prices for." I agree with your assessment.
    Most of the time they got away with promises that they now finally have learnt the lesson and the NEXT one will be good.
    I guess, people may actually forgive them if the next one really delivers. But virtually nobody will be swayed to preorder by some trailer anymore. The next time they have to deliver as many will wait until reviews AFTER launch are in by REAL players and not payed Youtubers or the gaming press.

    And for many even this will not be enough after having a lot of money wasted on BF2042 the only way to play the next one will be to give it for free (or with a huge discount) to all players that they scammed with the current iteration.
  • cso7777's avatar
    cso7777
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @TAW_RinkoThe funny thing is that people preordered 2042 after BFV, which was exactly the same mess (on a smaller scale but still more or less the same problems).

    I personally preordered after getting caught in EA/Dices lies (being ahead of schedule, many studios working on the game blah blah), and hope I will not do again in 2023, when the next game is launched (which according to EA will be a return to form, best BF-game ever blah blah blah).

  • TAW_Rinko's avatar
    TAW_Rinko
    Seasoned Veteran
    4 years ago

    @cso7777 wrote:

    @TAW_RinkoThe funny thing is that people preordered 2042 after BFV, which was exactly the same mess (on a smaller scale but still more or less the same problems).

    I personally preordered after getting caught in EA/Dices lies (being ahead of schedule, many studios working on the game blah blah), and hope I will not do again in 2023, when the next game is launched (which according to EA will be a return to form, best BF-game ever blah blah blah).


    I'd argue (and the EA investor call earlier this year backs this up) that 2042 shipped with more known bugs than BFV. They knew, at release, that 2042 was in the worst state of any battlefield game previously released. This is a simple matter of, now, public record.

    Furthermore, I think that some people were hoping BFV was an anomaly. That it was a mere dip in the arc of a fabled game series.

    2042 comes along, and it becomes immediately apparent that Dice have learned NOT A DAMN THING from BFV, and have doubled down on many of the worst design decisions of the earlier game. Couple that with the extraordinarily global lack of polish in 2042, and I think this has changed how the community sees things.

    2042 was the chance many were prepared to grant Dice. And they've, metaphorically, spat in our faces. All of that, and what can only be described as an extremely glacial pace to fixing 2042 and I think we're in a new place.

  • CyberDyme's avatar
    CyberDyme
    Not applicable
    4 years ago

    By now we are approx 5 months after BF2042 launch.  And what have we gotten from EA/DICE since then, apart from a few cosmetic fixes, a beanie and a cowboy hat?   What have we gotten of new contents for the gameplay of any substance?  Nada...

    If EA/DICE had any serious intentions to try and salvage this train wreck, then they have already had plenty of time and opportunities to do so.

    As the active player numbers dropped so radically fast vertical down even before xmas, it was obvious already at that time to the EA/DICE execs that it was no longer economically viable to try and fix anything of substance of this mess.  And during the last 3 months since xmas we have seen this further substantiated by their total lack of delivery of anything tangible.

    Just consider this, that even if they did pull out a magic rabbit and got several of the seriously bad freak game-designs corrected, then still how many (few) players would then come back anyway?  And how many of them would be willing to spend any serious $ on skins in this game to pay EA/DICE for that effort?

    Matter of fact is that the game was such a freak creation, not even half-baked when they rushed it to launch anyway; and the game design and mechanics totally missed the point of what makes a Battlefield game a Battlefield game.

    The target audience has long gone on to have fun with many of the better game alternatives from competing game studios, despite not either being the Battlefield game they actually so badly wanted.

    So trying to do something now to that BF2042 meltdown is just too little and too late.

    And worse longer term is the substantial number of global customers that EA/DICE have treated so extremely bad in the process and who left the game very disappointed. 

    98% of the customers had stopped playing the game by end of March.  How many of them found they got good value for the money they had spent on it and now eager to come back to buy more from EA?

  • TAW_Rinko's avatar
    TAW_Rinko
    Seasoned Veteran
    4 years ago

    Whether they realize it or not, Dice have things they have to do if they're going to salvage anything from this mess.....including their own studio.

    They have to figure out how to unalienate their own community. Because, no matter what some pimply MBA says, they're not getting a big audience from anywhere else. They need to win us back. And that will be difficult because, and there's no nice way to put this, 2042 is an omnicluster. 

    They're not going to get that audience back unless they actually acknowledge they've left. Nor will we come back unless, in some way, Dice address the fact that we paid good money for 2042 and we were ripped off. This is not the game we were promised, nor is it an acceptable alternative. 

    Dice really need to get a grip, and take responsibility for their actions. 

  • cso7777's avatar
    cso7777
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @TAW_Rinko I agree, EA/Dice has an audience for BF, but they keep searching for a bigger audience, like Fortnite and Apex.

    But it will never happen, the audience for BR-games are not really interested in BF.

    They could make good money on BF and instead they have wasted it all on this fail of a game.

    But we will see what happens in 2023. Will they give up their 'hero-shooter'-ideas and make a real BF-game or will they continue chasing trends.

    And finally, the game as a service is a problem for games like BF. How to balance selling cosmetics without ending in a 'clown-shooter' scenario is probably pretty hard to do.
  • Lancelot_du_Lac's avatar
    Lancelot_du_Lac
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @cso7777 You have put you finger on the problem in your first sentence. Chasing audiences/trends have left us ('legacy' BF players) out of the loop. Interesting to see if EA think they can have both, or jettison one audience in favour of another.

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