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Re: Air combat has been irrevocably broken with this update (condor/hind are OP)

@chrilsc 

if you speak about the EBAA it's a .30 the smallest, only go up.

And well can't tell for AOW, always in Portal for HC. But i have a nice collection of air vehicles shot thanks to this little baby.  

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  • Psubond's avatar
    Psubond
    Legend
    4 years ago

    they will probably nerf condor speed at some point, but i think it's good that jets can't just keep doing AGM runs and be nearly impossible to shoot down due to their speed and flares.  now they have something to worry about

  • @Psubond  it's flawed. 

    The SU-57 now have to worry about the Condor, but the F-35 still easy peasy. Plus it's not a transport vehicle job to do anything about aircraft 🤐

    They need to remove the AGM from the aircraft. It's harsh but i don't see any other option.

    Aircraft are here for sky control, and attack that Helicopters. That themselves attack the ground vehicles, that themselves attack infantry. It create a logic chain.

    And to avoid a complete sky dominance that would make things a nightmare for a team, there is one ground vehicle that can have his word to say on the sky, the EBAA, but as both team have this option it keep the balance and logic chain

  • Psubond's avatar
    Psubond
    Legend
    4 years ago

    @VRACinque wrote:

    @Psubond  it's flawed. 

    The SU-57 now have to worry about the Condor, but the F-35 still easy peasy. Plus it's not a transport vehicle job to do anything about aircraft 🤐

    They need to remove the AGM from the aircraft. It's harsh but i don't see any other option.

    Aircraft are here for sky control, and attack that Helicopters. That themselves attack the ground vehicles, that themselves attack infantry. It create a logic chain.

    And to avoid a complete sky dominance that would make things a nightmare for a team, there is one ground vehicle that can have his word to say on the sky, the EBAA, but as both team have this option it keep the balance and logic chain


    oh, it is flawed and it'll get fixed (no clue how long that will take though).  it's just amusing that the jet mains can't just zoom back and forth all match without worrying about getting shot down for a little while

  • AnthonyBaraza72's avatar
    AnthonyBaraza72
    Rising Novice
    4 years ago

    "Air combat has been irrevocably broken with this update"

    Has been before when there was a halfdecent 2-man party in a transport.

    I am happy that people can realise now how broken those transport helicopters are. The super hind is even more of a threat due to the fact that he has the mobility of a helicopter.

    That makes it way easier to go for ground vehicles and infantry as well. The condor is strong too but is way more punishable than the hind because it gets kind of stuck in place when attacked. 

    "there is one ground vehicle that can have his word to say on the sky, the EBAA"

    They need to nerf 50mm & the transports health to be effective against them. The condor/hind can just disrespect everything because it can kill all vehicles in a matter of seconds.

  • "Aircraft are here for sky control, and attack that Helicopters. That themselves attack the ground vehicles, that themselves attack infantry. It create a logic chain."

    Aircraft have long supported ground troops and target armor

  • UP_Hawxxeye's avatar
    UP_Hawxxeye
    Legend
    4 years ago

    "Air combat has been irrevocably broken with this update" ?

    What is this? a news title from a sensationalist newspaper?

    Literally almost nothing changed other than the fact that now the Nightbird lonewolves are not depriving the teams of their flying transports.

    If they move the MAV to the transport category too, the numbers of the  flying transports will diminish again

  • Anobix's avatar
    Anobix
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @AnthonyBarraza72 In all honesty, I don't understand why the 50mm is on the transport vehicles at all. It is the defacto loadout for them because it is so incredibly better than the crappy grenade launcher. I would have thought that the transports just had the two miniguns on the side like a Huey, but /shrug

  • @UP_Hawxxeye wrote:

    "Air combat has been irrevocably broken with this update" ?

    What is this? a news title from a sensationalist newspaper?

    Literally almost nothing changed other than the fact that now the Nightbird lonewolves are not depriving the teams of their flying transports.

    If they move the MAV to the transport category too, the numbers of the  flying transports will diminish again


    Lol. Claim the nothing has changed then proceed to name massive change than has ruined what little there was of air balance. I’m pretty sure now every map there is a 1 to 1 ratio of attack aircraft and “transports.” Hourglass used have 4 attack aircraft and 2 transports, now it’s 3 of each. 


    And why would it diminish? Condor/hind are much faster than the MAV. Wouldn’t do anything. You’re just obsoleting the MAV.

  • Psubond's avatar
    Psubond
    Legend
    4 years ago

    Air power exists to support ground operations.  This has been true for 100 years +

    Air power, especially attack aircraft,  cant take and hold terrirory in game or irl

  • chrilsc's avatar
    chrilsc
    4 years ago

    @VRACinque

    I'm playing All-out Warefare mode of Battlefield 2042, not Portal.
    Portal setting is not the same as All-out Warefare mode.

    Don't you know how long could you take out V-22 Osprey by 30mm AA Cannon ? Overheat how many times, then you take out the V-22 Ospery ??? Use the EBAA Missile which damage & ranger same as man-portable air defense missile ?????

    Why i need to use AA Tank?? And waste the limit count of vehicle?
    Go and use "Angel" + Anti Air Loadouts, it should be more better !
    And you can get a Unlimited Anti-Air Missile !

    And you said,
    Air Superiority remove the AGM ???
    The main problem is - "The tank don't have Tank APS"
    Make the APS back should be OK, likes Battlefiled 4 !
    It shouldn't the Air Superiority problem !

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    The specialists "Angel" still in universal !

    You can add "Armor" by yourself, unlimited ammo and change the current loadouts.
    Your teammate down? Let's revive them, no need medic!
    Under heli rush? then change Anti-Air Loadouts!

    You find a tank? then change Anti-Tank Loadouts!


    So, that's why most of player using "Angel" + SMG + Drum magazine.
    Let's keeping rush and revive teammate!!

    Still try to balance the specialists???
    Just cancel it and bring back CLASS !!! Otherwise, you will never get balance.

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