DICE TeamMy personal opinion on this. @CountSero But its the same system as APEX, where the grind I would argue is a lot tougher then Battlefield 2042. The only difference is that APEX has daily goals that you can reroll to help along getting your points for a level with a static XP target.
Where the weekly missions has both BR and Arena challenge if you want them you do need to play both modes.
/Atic
@EA_AticI think only on the first look it is the same
So, let’s make a breakdown:
-You need 10 stars for one level it is similar to the 10 points
-If I’m right in Apex each star has fixed XP with 5k in battlefield the XP is increasing
I made some calculation how much XP is need to get to level 100:
with fixed XP in Apex it should be around 5 million with increasing XP in BF2042 i made an educational guess and it would be 14,4 million (difference is only around 9 million 😉 )
-Weekly mission in Apex gives you around 6,25 level in BF2042 you get 4,9
(also if i'm right one weekly mission in BF2042 is only active for one week!!!)
-With the daily quest you get 0,8 level in Apex and in BF2042 these are not existent
Imho only at the first look it seems to be the same system but it’s is much fairer I think than here in BF2042
Yes, it is an argument that you need to play different modes but in BF2042 the weekly force you also to play other modes (Breakthru instead of conquest for example) , so not really a difference
The biggest difference is still that you need only a third of the XP in Apex then in BF2042
Also APEX a free to play game BF2042 a AAA FullPrice game
In my humble opinion its seems ok for me that I have some complains about a this season pass and the massive grind
[EDIT] Some visuals for the exp calculation, on the left the XP grind of BF2042 on the right the grind of Apex
In the middle you can see the difference for XP needed and after level 26 in BF2042 you need already more XP
Sorry but its to much exps i cant play every Day and many Hours, Its not a Free to Play Game and some Humans works right ?
Best is not make more higher the exps for me the best was 2000 fine.
And let us Reset the Missions some are not easy and iam not a Pro Player ☹️
@CountSero wrote:In the middle you can see the difference for XP needed and after level 26 in BF2042 you need already more XP
i don't think your numbers are quite right. i'm level 38 or 39, i forget which. figure i got 10 levels from weekly missions (rounded up) and 5 for having gold edition. my exp for a point was 6,250
@CountSero wrote:
@Psubondi know it was only a calculation example, even if the final XP i need in BF2042 is only have the numbers it is still 50% higher than in Apex
also, the weekly mission doesn’t increase the exp you need, if you have done 10 lvl thru weekly missions the scale shifts for these 10 levels
(But if DICE gives us not the real increase we don't know it)
Apex gives you also close 1 one level a day with daily mission and 6 with the weekly so still a better deal then the season pass in BF2042
Calculated I will need around 35-40 days to reach my needed 41-42 level in BF2042, in the same time you got around additional 40-45 level more in Apex if you do all weeklies and dailies
so I think still a huge difference
yea, but if you're going to post a spread sheet it should be accurate. the reason i mentioned the weeklies and the 5 levels from gold is so they could be subtracted from total
@Psubondit is not the actual BattlePass level, it is the amount of levels you gained from the XP Mission. So if you got 15 levels from Weeklies+Gold, subtract that from your current completed BP level. So you are on level 23-24ish on the table.
Also, it increments at a slower rate than 10 BP pts per requirement increase. I have now seen it between 12-16 pts per jump. It averages around 15 though. So every 1.5 BP levels your XP Mission requirement should go up by 250.
It also matters a little bit based on when you did the weeklies vs the XP Missions. If you still had weeklies to do, the table is slightly off, but then catches back up afterwards.
Also, @CountSero was trying to break it down literally down to the BP point earned, which he did a great job. However, it is a general table that can't take into account everyone's current status.
However, the totals are pretty much locked in. This is what you will need to do based on your personal per round average and playing time.
Playing every day (completing all weeklies):
10K per round player = 205 rounds in 84 days (2.5 rounds per day)
15K per round player = 137 rounds in 84 days (1.7 rounds per day)
20K per round player = 103 rounds in 84 days (1.3 rounds per day)
Playing only once every 2 days (completing all the weeklies) (42 days out of 84):
10K per round player = 247 rounds in 42 days (5.9 rounds per day)
15K per round player = 165 rounds in 42 days (3.9 rounds per day)
20K per round player = 124 rounds in 42 days (3.0 rounds per day)
If you don't complete all the weekly missions, you will really be at a disadvantage as those are a fixed 4.9 BP levels per week. The good thing is it looks like you can complete them at any time.
@Adamonic wrote:@Psubondit is not the actual BattlePass level, it is the amount of levels you gained from the XP Mission. So if you got 15 levels from Weeklies+Gold, subtract that from your current completed BP level. So you are on level 23-24ish on the table.
Also, it increments at a slower rate than 10 BP pts per requirement increase. I have now seen it between 12-16 pts per jump. It averages around 15 though. So every 1.5 BP levels your XP Mission requirement should go up by 250.It also matters a little bit based on when you did the weeklies vs the XP Missions. If you still had weeklies to do, the table is slightly off, but then catches back up afterwards.
Also, @CountSero was trying to break it down literally down to the BP point earned, which he did a great job. However, it is a general table that can't take into account everyone's current status.
However, the totals are pretty much locked in. This is what you will need to do based on your personal per round average and playing time.
Playing every day (completing all weeklies):
10K per round player = 205 rounds in 84 days (2.5 rounds per day)
15K per round player = 137 rounds in 84 days (1.7 rounds per day)
20K per round player = 103 rounds in 84 days (1.3 rounds per day)
Playing only once every 2 days (completing all the weeklies) (42 days out of 84):
10K per round player = 247 rounds in 42 days (5.9 rounds per day)
15K per round player = 165 rounds in 42 days (3.9 rounds per day)
20K per round player = 124 rounds in 42 days (3.0 rounds per day)
If you don't complete all the weekly missions, you will really be at a disadvantage as those are a fixed 4.9 BP levels per week. The good thing is it looks like you can complete them at any time.
all i was saying is his table isn't correct. i understand that my exp levels are at 23 (if i'm 38, i can't remember if i'm 38 or 39). that was the whole point of me disclosing how many levels i got from weeklies and gold. my weeklies were all done when i was at 6,250 exp per point
@CountSero wrote:
Calculated I will need around 35-40 days to reach my needed 41-42 level in BF2042, in the same time you got around additional 40-45 level more in Apex if you do all weeklies and dailies
so I think still a huge difference
Different doesn't imply that it is unfair. You will still complete the additional levels in half the time allotted for the whole season pass (84 days). People just want to get everything super fast and that's not how a season pass should work. Maximum effort, maximum reward. Minimum effort, minimum reward. It just seems to me that people want it just spoon-fed to them these days, minimum effort for maximum rewards.
Granted, I am by no means a casual player and I can see how it might seem daunting and "impossible" to some. But it is totally achievable. However, it is not so achievable with the mindset that it is somehow unfair to ask you to spend a few hours a day in the game to earn some points. After all, it is only week 2 of a 12-week season. Again, different/harder doesn't imply unfair, it just means it is different/harder.
I am hoping I can complete is as well as I only really have time to play on the weekends. That was more than enough time to complete each season for Cold War.
@Adamonic wrote:Playing every day (completing all weeklies):
10K per round player = 205 rounds in 84 days (2.5 rounds per day)
15K per round player = 137 rounds in 84 days (1.7 rounds per day)
20K per round player = 103 rounds in 84 days (1.3 rounds per day)
Playing only once every 2 days (completing all the weeklies) (42 days out of 84):
10K per round player = 247 rounds in 42 days (5.9 rounds per day)
15K per round player = 165 rounds in 42 days (3.9 rounds per day)
20K per round player = 124 rounds in 42 days (3.0 rounds per day)
If you don't complete all the weekly missions, you will really be at a disadvantage as those are a fixed 4.9 BP levels per week. The good thing is it looks like you can complete them at any time.
I really like this breakdown. It puts things into a better perspective than just a chart with total numbers. And I agree, you'll definitely struggle without the weekly missions, for sure. Bear in mind though, that the bonus mission can only be done the week it was given so there is a bit of a time crunch there. Beyond that though, nicely done and shown.
@Adamonic wrote:Playing every day (completing all weeklies):
10K per round player = 205 rounds in 84 days (2.5 rounds per day)
15K per round player = 137 rounds in 84 days (1.7 rounds per day)
20K per round player = 103 rounds in 84 days (1.3 rounds per day)
Playing only once every 2 days (completing all the weeklies) (42 days out of 84):
10K per round player = 247 rounds in 42 days (5.9 rounds per day)
15K per round player = 165 rounds in 42 days (3.9 rounds per day)
20K per round player = 124 rounds in 42 days (3.0 rounds per day)
If you don't complete all the weekly missions, you will really be at a disadvantage as those are a fixed 4.9 BP levels per week. The good thing is it looks like you can complete them at any time.
where are you getting the total exp needed from? what data did you extrapolate into what you calculated?
@CountSero wrote:
@XSive_DrezFair \ Unfair is related to the topic of the thread
Not sure what your point is here. I am arguing to the level of fairness. My stance is that it is not unfair. So, yeah.
@CountSero wrote:
Also, the season-pass of Apex is essentially clearer than this one, you can see everything you need to calculate for sour self “ok it is doable for me or not”
So, why is DICE not doing the same way with BF2042, it looks like they are deliberately hiding what effort is really needed
Also, due to this opaque behavior I don’t know if they are tinkering in the background and try to figure out how I can bait some level skips (ok I admit then I’m again at the fair question)
Comparing one game's season pass choices to another is kind of pointless. Let me pick another random game with a season pass to compare BF2042's model. Smite has a Battlepass and their level progression requires substantially more xp the further you progress and you only get two weekly missions. Is that more or less fair? My answer is, that it doesn't matter what another game does. Two different games, systems, player bases, etc. They're just not the same.
If they were actually trying to hide the effort, you'd not see the xp required for the next level, just some bar showing you the progress. You can see the incremental increases and extrapolate from there. And, yes, they want to have people pay for level skips. This is not a new concept. Nor is it surprising.
@CountSero wrote:
Also, it seems to me that you are not an average player you have a high XP count and it seems to me that you’re playing more than two hours a day. So, you’re are the Exception that easily rush thru the season-pass. I’m happy for you mate but this is not average
I've never claimed to be your average player. But that doesn't mean I can't speak to the effort required. I can put in more than 2 hours a day on the front end so I don't have to put them in throughout the entire season. That doesn't mean I don't have to put the hours in. I can just do them all at once instead of spreading them out. My 10 hours in one day is the same as your 2 hours a day for 5 days. Not the average player, but the time and effort are roughly the same. As for my high xp count? I just use methods that anyone can, to increase my chances of better xp. You can get 10k alone just by maxing the ribbons which can be very easy to do.
@CountSero wrote:
And as I said before, this is a AAA game that I put on a stricter scale than with a free to play title. But even then, the Free to play Season-Pass in Apex is much better.
You are allowed to like one system over another, that's fair. But it does not speak to the fairness of one system over another. In my mind, Apex is too easy and unappealing. It's too easy to get bored because it's too easy to do. And to be fair, Apex is a AAA game from a AAA studio so I'm not sure what that argument is. My suggestion is to stop comparing apples to oranges.
@CountSero wrote:
and realted to your complains about chart, the table it was only an calculation example to show up how different the season pass of BF2042 related to the season pass of Apex work. But maybe it this was to complicated. And as long as we don't get the real numbers von Dice i will use these so that I'm on save side with "my" grind 😉
Finally, I never had complaints about your chart or the information within. Perhaps you were directing this comment to another but since I was tagged in the post I took it as being directed towards me. The chart is fine for what it is, just a breakdown of total numbers. For me personally, I don't care about the numbers or how you got to them. It doesn't affect me one way or another. Really it could just come in handy as a tool to set reasonable goals to accomplish based on your level of play and xp gain. I think it is a good thing to refer to for those who need to work out their time management.
I appreciate your polite discourse and discussion. It is welcome to have a pleasant disagreement on an issue without unwarranted hostility.
@CountSero wrote:
and realted to your complains about chart, the table it was only an calculation example to show up how different the season pass of BF2042 related to the season pass of Apex work. But maybe it this was to complicated. And as long as we don't get the real numbers von Dice i will use these so that I'm on save side with "my" grind 😉
....so you made up numbers to prove your point?
@CountSero wrote:
@XSive_Drezok let me describe it in other words than fair\unfair
for me this opaque procedure of DICE or rather EA should tempt you to make it difficult to make progress to generate targeted revenue by level skips
for me the impression arises that they firmly expect such income with such an approach (I know that you can't really calculate such revenues but I think that they have made some estimates in this direction)
DICE\EA just make it unnecessarily complicated and shady but they forget that the player base is already crumbling
I absolutely agree. This is definitely an intentional design choice to coax players into buying level skips. This isn't new to the industry nor do I think it is cleverly masked here. Secondary income from microtransactions is standard operating procedure these days and you'd have to be naive to think otherwise. So I agree, yes, this is part of their marketing strategy. Good or bad, that is a different debate.
@CountSero wrote:
I also didn't want to get too close to you or someone here in the forum, since I'm not a native English speaker I'm not always sure if I hit the right tone or find the right words.
But if I have done so I’m sorry mate, it wasn't meant that way
No worries. I am actually quite pleased with the level of respect and maturity shown by yourself and others. I believe in healthy debate and exchange of opinions and ideas and welcome your input. I believe we have come to a point where we acknowledge each other's points of view, and, whether we agree or not, we can accept there is merit in both. I also hope that I have not come off too poorly. BTW, you do very well for a non-native English speaker, do not sell yourself short.
Someone post it on Forum he need 13000 xps now i cut it a little ,look on the screenshot...
thats not much for 1 token ?
If you're a casual player and are not at level 55. You just play some hours in a week and do the weeklies. After every weekly mission, you're at higher Tier (4.9 Tier / week) having higher demands to grind points between weeklies. Couple of weeks later you're at Tier where demand is 15 000xp / game so you're levelling up very slowly. Next weekly comes and your progress is even slower. Are you ever reaching Tier 100 or even 80, don't know but easy it will not be. This rapidly increasing demand of xp / Tier or point is just a way to get people to buy Tier skips. Pure greed.
DICE Teamlvl 51, yes I would be, if I could play 24/7 from now on...
@EA_Atic wrote:
Just a tip. Don't forget while doing the weekly missions you are also earning XP, its not like you get 0 XP trying to do them.
/Atic
Assuming @CountSero calculations are correct we need
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-to reach season-pass level 100 you would need around 14,3 million XP
-with an average of 15k XP a round you would need 958+ games
-or 79+ games a week or 11+ games a day which are around 4-5 hours a day
"
Weeklies get 58 levels (4,9 levels * 12 weeks). In a best scenario we need 7 games per day. Or more (if you happen to not perform as good and planned). Each game lasts 30min in average. So it is 3,5 hours + game searching. Around 4 hours. Every day. No skips at all. And if you start even a day later you already falling behind. With every day missed or later start the gap just grows. No offence but I want to hope you are playing devils advocate just because you have to otherwise are you really think this battlepass is any fair. And it even more unfair for newer player.
