Re: Class system sucks

@DPsx7 I guess we just have different opinions on what BF is.

I have played this franchise since BF1942 and I guess I'm just an ancient player who likes the way Battlefield used to be different from the generic run and gun shooters.

I used to play competitive in earlier renditions until EA decided to remove every tool the community had in order to try to control comp themselves. They failed miserably and the franchise was left as pub only playground. Classes was one of the things that made it really fun to play this franchise, especially in comp, as it really mattered to have strategies around picking the correct class to the correct situation. 

Today all I'm seeing is people wanting to have all the toys given to them so they can just go mindlessly around killing inf ignoring objectives, ignoring team mates, ignoring teaming up to take out vehicles, never wait for obvious revive etc. You call it progression, I call it regression. I feel the whole franchise has taken 10 step backwards only to try to cater for all the run and gun one man army players that have no tactical or stratetical awerness. When was the last time you saw someone change class (or loadout pre-class) when a heli or tank on the other team was dominating? But again, this may just be me being ancient 🙂

I personally never voted for classes to come back though. But when I say I want it to stay is mostly semantic.The reason is simply because classes is what battlefield is and has always been. Removing classes is like Acitivsion suddenly decided to remove killstreaks in CoD. Its part of the identity of the franchise and shouldnt be touched in the first place.

But from a playing PoV I never said anything bad about classes being removed as I just adapted to the new situation. 

In the end I think it didnt really change that much either as people just pick one class and stick to it regardless of whats going on just like the pre-class just picked on loadout and went with it.

For me the people whining about this is just those who cant adapt to the situation since the game didnt really change that much. Just like all those players stopped playing because they fel the game wasnt Battlefield anymore. I have a friendslist full of them who couldnt adapt. 🙂

Also I dont htink it will make the game better or more attractive by changing this again so changing would jsut be mooth. If anything this thread will be created again only named "no class system sucks".

As for your last comment regardings ammo and revives. Things werent better pre-classes. Nothing did change in that regard. The only saving grace pre-class was that you could go 24/7 launcher Angel. 

In the end I do not disagree with people in here on many of the points made and I dont really care either. But the point I was trying to make is that classes is a part of this franchise identity and shoudlnt hva been removed in the first place. 

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@3DiE9djua2 wrote:

@DPsx7 I guess we just have different opinions on what BF is.

I have played this franchise since BF1942 and I guess I'm just an ancient player who likes the way Battlefield used to be different from the generic run and gun shooters.

I used to play competitive in earlier renditions until EA decided to remove every tool the community had in order to try to control comp themselves. They failed miserably and the franchise was left as pub only playground. Classes was one of the things that made it really fun to play this franchise, especially in comp, as it really mattered to have strategies around picking the correct class to the correct situation. 

Today all I'm seeing is people wanting to have all the toys given to them so they can just go mindlessly around killing inf ignoring objectives, ignoring team mates, ignoring teaming up to take out vehicles, never wait for obvious revive etc. You call it progression, I call it regression. I feel the whole franchise has taken 10 step backwards only to try to cater for all the run and gun one man army players that have no tactical or stratetical awerness. When was the last time you saw someone change class (or loadout pre-class) when a heli or tank on the other team was dominating? But again, this may just be me being ancient 🙂

I personally never voted for classes to come back though. But when I say I want it to stay is mostly semantic.The reason is simply because classes is what battlefield is and has always been. Removing classes is like Acitivsion suddenly decided to remove killstreaks in CoD. Its part of the identity of the franchise and shouldnt be touched in the first place.

But from a playing PoV I never said anything bad about classes being removed as I just adapted to the new situation. 

In the end I think it didnt really change that much either as people just pick one class and stick to it regardless of whats going on just like the pre-class just picked on loadout and went with it.

For me the people whining about this is just those who cant adapt to the situation since the game didnt really change that much. Just like all those players stopped playing because they fel the game wasnt Battlefield anymore. I have a friendslist full of them who couldnt adapt. 🙂

Also I dont htink it will make the game better or more attractive by changing this again so changing would jsut be mooth. If anything this thread will be created again only named "no class system sucks".

As for your last comment regardings ammo and revives. Things werent better pre-classes. Nothing did change in that regard. The only saving grace pre-class was that you could go 24/7 launcher Angel. 

In the end I do not disagree with people in here on many of the points made and I dont really care either. But the point I was trying to make is that classes is a part of this franchise identity and shoudlnt hva been removed in the first place. 

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we didn't get classes though.  classes need locked weapons to give people incentive to play different classes.  all they did was lock gadgets.  now we have a situation with anti vehicle that is a crapshow.  boris and crawford have junk specialist gadgets and lis can't use 60% of the class gadgets

Come on guys, being passionate about your games is one thing but then letting that passion get out of hand to the point where we begin to throw insults is quite another. Lets try to curb ourselves so we can continue to discuss, ya know?

When it comes to the anti tank issue (and I only speak of it in terms of Solo/Coop and general bot play experiences since I have not enough experience in PvP) I think what they can do is to reverse the dead body drop mechanic...so they drop their gadgets/gadget ammo instead of their weapons. Just make it so that the dropped gadget won't stay there too long. Perhaps 60 seconds after death this way there's a sense of skill/timing & chance if you need to earn a gadget in this way to help take out more vehicles.

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@DPsx7 wrote:
@Prof3ss0r_M1k3Why do you need incentive? If you're fine with one then be free to play that way. No reason the support guy can't temporarily swat a copter or bop a sniper if they happen to catch the right angle. When the metric for winning is holding tickets you'd THINK not forcing people to bleed them to adapt would be smart.

That is the biggest part of it. Locking all the gadgets means the vehicles have no balance. I know the ones voting for classes were the whiners who want to hide in tanks longer. That's not fair to the infantry.

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i prefer the unlocked gadgets.  they either need to do classes or don't.  locking gadgets isn't classes. it is just locked gadgets and a stealth buff to vehicles.  if we are going to have classes, give the purists what they asked for if gadgets get locked.  limit their choices on weapons too.  the purists want the best of both worlds which is totally unfair to people who want to hunt vehicles.

@DPsx7 

Listen I am not really disagreeing with everything you say so no need to be so passive agressive. All Im saying is that classes have been a part of the games identity along with CQ64 since the first game and messing with it was bound to ruffle a lot of peoples feather. Thats also why people were asking for it to be brought back. Many bf vets abandoned the game at launch as a result. There are no need to call those people trolls, low skilled etc either. They have their opinion of what makes BF a BF game.

As I said I was never a part of those who asked for it back but now that we have it here I'm not going to ask them to undo the change either. So here we just have to disagree.

I guess Im trying to say that I think they shouldnt have removed the class system when they made the game, but when they first did, they shouldnt have put it back in several months after launch either. Its this back and forth that are causing the playerbase to be split and for people to feel they have been toyed with. If the class system was in the game at launch people wouldnt have talked about removing it now. Changing this a third time just becomes comical. Instead they can tweak the system to work better and open up for more alternatives in each class. A best of both worlds if possible unless people just want to play one specialist. 

CoD is still going strong because they recycle endlessly and not removing what maked CoD the franchise it is. 

But I'm sure if Activision removed something like kill streaks in that franchise people whould let Activision know thats a bad idea.

However I'm done with this discussion though as I just wanted to share my opinion on this. I didnt want to have a long discussion about this.

You have your opinion and I have mine. So lets just let it be with that

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@DPsx7 wrote:
@Prof3ss0r_M1k3I don't understand why anything has to be locked. I call them whiners because they deprive others instead of getting good. I never saw this 'meta' they kept using as an excuse. Personally I didn't bother with rockets. But if something is used too frequently then develop a counter. Snipe them while they pause at a reload crate. Sneak behind them without a tank. I mean BF is a sandbox so you're free (usually) to be creative with solutions. THAT is why it's fun.

Sitting here with a useless game because some trolls deemed we're 'not playing properly', it's like kick them out and give us the game we paid for. They have the old games if they want less stuff to choose from. Purists... Pfft.

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i want the game back that i bought.  they fundamentally changed the game and it was a bait and switch when they locked gadgets