Re: Exodus Soaking Up All the Players

@Moab23 

I doubt VERY much that EA/Dice ae making these decisions arbitrarily without some sort of data indicating it's what a majority of their player base wants, not just a handful of the ones shouting the loudest.

Hell, if simply shouting loudly actually worked, we would have had a server browser with persistent servers, squad management, Clan/Platoon support etc. etc. well over a year ago.

Even the hotly debated class update, which I'm still not convinced is a good idea at this late stage of the game just to be clear, probably has a lot off data behind it.

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@Moab23 wrote:

Maybe I think its selfish for a vocal bunch to always get what they want, while those who want something new and different get shafted? 

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I don't understand what your issue is. You still can play what you want.

Currently it is DICE who decides what modes are featured each week.

In my opinion they should always offer Conquest, Conquest Small plus one or two featured modes, like the Exodus or Infantry or Tactical variants.

Currently every other week the same people complain about the same issues when a) no 64 player conquest is available, or b) no 128 player conquest is available.

There may be players that play both, but also players that only play their preferred mode.

So you complain about Exodus Conquest lures players away from Conquest-128. But I believe that is a case of survivorship bias. It might also be the case that if players who Exodus Conquest would instead play BC2 of BF3 instead. So you still would have the issue that your Conquest-128 match doesn't start.

Don't expect other people to compromise, when you are not willing to compromise.
If you want to play Conquest-128, and that doesn't work with disabled crossplay, but is no issue when you enable crossplay, you could compromise and enable crossplay.

@kregora I compromised plenty for a long time when I had to resort to crossplay, and also when you couldn't turn it off, thank you very much. Where's the compromise from you lot?

@ATFGunr Glad to see you're all perfectly fine with everyone being forced to play Exodus then. There is no 'choice' here if other modes aren't getting players into them because they're going to Exodus, and that is the point. 

@Ironhead841 Right. Like they didn't mess up the weapons in previous games because people whined about them. Now they're going to add classes because people whined about it, even though classes aren't the solution to teamwork. People whined about 'clone' characters when the game has more variation in characters than previous titles bar BFV, and people whined about the customisation in that as well. Hell, people whined about BFV in general and then suddenly thought it was brilliant when 2042 dropped. Or whining about rough launches whilst forgetting BF4 had a terrible launch. People whine about flashy cosmetics and then in the next instance run around with a gold plated gun. People whined about the BR modes, then whined when the modes got dropped. Too many players listen religiously to Youtubers and Streamers who haphazardly play the game and complain about things they don't like, or they want, but then they don't even bother with them if the changes are made, because they influence the people watching them to want the same things. People whined about the Christmas mode they did and then whined when there wasn't a Christmas mode this time. 

We're stuck with Exodus because people whined about maps and content, and then only end up playing a rotation of mostly old maps instead of any of the new content. 

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@Moab23 wrote:

@kregora I compromised plenty for a long time when I had to resort to crossplay, and also when you couldn't turn it off, thank you very much. Where's the compromise from you lot?

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how are you not understanding that no one owes you their gameplay time?  there are multiple choices in the game on how and where to play.  people can and should choose what they want to play.  if not enough people want to play what you want to play then that's just life.  

let's try this a different way.  picture two playgrounds.  one has a lot of kids, one has some but not many.  you go to the one that doesn't have many because you chose to.   on that playground all the kids want to play on the monkey bars, swings, see saw etc.  you want to play kickball but not enough other kids want to play kickball.

is the solution to close the playground that you CHOSE not to go and rip out the other equipment on the playground that you CHOOSE to use so they don't have a choice and have to play with you or should you just have to pick something else or maybe go to the more populated playground where there are a few games of kickball going on at all times and you are welcome to play in?

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@Moab23 wrote:

@ATFGunr Glad to see you're all perfectly fine with everyone being forced to play Exodus then. There is no 'choice' here if other modes aren't getting players into them because they're going to Exodus, and that is the point. 

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The 'Choice' is there, other players 'Chose' to play the other mode because they think it is better/more fun. You're welcome to spin up your own Portal server and run it how you like, or sit in queue waiting for other players.

The different modes cycle in and out every week, sometimes it's Exodus Conquest, some times Exodus Breakthrough, other times all infantry mode. Just because some/many prefer the layout of the other maps and how they play (probably from being super tired of the base 2042 maps) doesn't mean their choice is wrong. You 'Chose' to turn off crossplay, thus 'Choosing' to vastly limit who you play against, and now you are seeing the results of those actions.

I find that my K/D ends up being fairly equal against console and PC, for what it's worth. Granted I think there's more console players than PC players depending on time/region, so who knows.

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@Moab23 wrote:

@Ironhead841 Right. Like they didn't mess up the weapons in previous games because people whined about them. Now they're going to add classes because people whined about it, even though classes aren't the solution to teamwork. People whined about 'clone' characters when the game has more variation in characters than previous titles bar BFV, and people whined about the customisation in that as well. Hell, people whined about BFV in general and then suddenly thought it was brilliant when 2042 dropped. Or whining about rough launches whilst forgetting BF4 had a terrible launch. People whine about flashy cosmetics and then in the next instance run around with a gold plated gun. People whined about the BR modes, then whined when the modes got dropped. Too many players listen religiously to Youtubers and Streamers who haphazardly play the game and complain about things they don't like, or they want, but then they don't even bother with them if the changes are made, because they influence the people watching them to want the same things. People whined about the Christmas mode they did and then whined when there wasn't a Christmas mode this time. 

We're stuck with Exodus because people whined about maps and content, and then only end up playing a rotation of mostly old maps instead of any of the new content. 

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i can go along with the classes argument.  that is a stupid decision on their part and will drive players away.  i like the current system, or at the very least let people still play with the current system if they want to in servers set up for that

@kregora No. For a while you could turn it off and you would not encounter any console players. Then, for about a month, you could not turn it off. You could set it to 'off' in the menu, but you'd still end up in servers with console players. That has since been fixed. 

@Psubond You're obsessed with claiming people 'owe' me something. I didn't say people 'owe' me something. I want the game to mix up the formula instead of relegating to the same mode 90% of the time. Why should it always favour you over someone else? The solution is to change things, not stick with the same old stuff forever. You're playing maps that are over ten years old, and the dumb part is this entire Exodus thing was supposed to bring people back. It didn't, so the experiment does nothing but reduce play time on new content. 

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@Moab23 wrote:

@Psubond You're obsessed with claiming people 'owe' me something. I didn't say people 'owe' me something. I want the game to mix up the formula instead of relegating to the same mode 90% of the time. Why should it always favour you over someone else? The solution is to change things, not stick with the same old stuff forever. You're playing maps that are over ten years old, and the dumb part is this entire Exodus thing was supposed to bring people back. It didn't, so the experiment does nothing but reduce play time on new content. 

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i do not play exodus.  I am saying: 

1) all options should be available 

2) people should play what they want

Which part am i not getting through on?