@Gurz1019_MPlight vehicle shooting at attack helo is like saying. "hello kill me, Im only a few rockets for ur attack helo". wouldnt change much
I think the problem is that the 20mmFlak equipped on light vehicles is too useless. I think we should make the burst burst not at a fixed distance, but when the warhead detects the vehicle, and extend the range to the flight altitude limit of the helicopter. That way anyone can easily aim at the helicopter. It will not have much firepower at long range because the bullet speed is not that fast. Try not to burst against infantry, and try not to exert more firepower than necessary.
"If a machine gun mounted on a light vehicle of that kind could do effective damage to a helicopter, I think everyone would be actively shooting at helicopters."
LMGs/HMGs' role should be to fight infantry, not aircrafts. Tanks should be countered by aircrafts. To fight air, there's other guns, pods and vehicles, like the flak pod or the dedicated flak gun. If a ground vehicle is to decently fight air, it should get a special gun for that job, not have every ground vehicle gunner be able to competently deal with any air threat.
The core issue is that infantry should be able to decently fight aircrafts themselves, and easily overwhelm and kill them if there's enough engineers, as is the case with ground vehicles. For air, this can't happen consistently and the only decent options have both a high skill floor (this is a casual game) and are heavily luck based (I sure hope my lizzle/dumbfire launcher/... doesn't dust!!!). Flak jeeps were a bandaid fix to the nightbird being too fast for people to lock on to with stingers. They should not be a thing.
The infantry situation can be helped with a buff to the NTW-50 to deal actually usable damage against the 3 non-transport helicopters and jets (or something else in that vein), and letting engineers use an HP-only version of it as a gadget, or fixed by adding a lower damage passive radar launcher (can use a portal launcher, just give it passive radar mechanics) and spending the time to balance things with its existence, decently reducing flare duration, doing some other flare tweaks like returning to the old cooldown time, and emphasizing the FXM's midranged-ness, like e.g. making it lock on a bit slower. But that kind of changes are probably too experimental and would require... A CTE.
@Gurz1019_MP the balance overall is not perfect, but in a good spot or not bad, perhaps some things need a little adjustment here and there. but thats about it.
the hate on helos is real, but not justified.
there are rounds where other vehicles like the tank, ram or the cav farm almost a 100 kills do 10 caps and thus decide the round and the heli does 50 in the same round and the chat is full of heli hate.
I think in most scenarios, its the lack of skill or the ability to take on a heli or fly aircraft and the willingness to do so, the willingness to counter it. the lack of game knowledge itself. how taking down aircraft is pretty doable. when someone lacks these things
it makes feeling powerless. but that is not the fault of good aircraft players.
a good aircraft player in this game, is constantly facing heat. there are 64 players on the enemy team. at least 20 try to hunt the good aircraft player. he is constantly visible.
the good aircraft players are either natural talents or practiced a lot to get where they are.
good aircraft players are among the players in this game that have gone through suffering the most and are willing to suffer to improve
more AA options would make it too easy.in terms of concentration. when an aircraft has a 0 death round. it means 2 things that the enemy AA players were not up to it including enemy aircraft. but it also can mean in difficult lobbies that the pilot was playing very well . focussed and concentrating for 15 min 20 min straight without any break on the mind.it would be unfair if someone hiding in some corner, safely from the heat, as infantry or with light vehicles could take it down by just pressing a button. operating aircraft very effectively in this game especially in difficult lobbies on the weekend, requires a lot of skill.seems only logical to me that taking it down should also require a lot of skill. there is no right reason to make it easy for the sake of entertainment. though its not that hard to take down aircraft with the given tools. it is in a lot of cases lack of skill
the tools are all there. the willingness to really master the tool of choice is not there.the will to hate is there, the will to improve is not. thats just not how ideal competition works
I made it easier for everyone.
Yep.
@Man_iLoveFishing"Professional" video game reviewers and sites are a joke, and even if we ignore that, they do not review PVP games at anything other than a very surface level, especially not 2042 (a "68" at launch, huh?), and they almost never do re-reviews. DICE does not communicate on Reddit, this was only a thing around launch. They pretty much don't even communicate on these forums, they only communicate on Xitter, and even then from the looks of it only with big youtubers. The game does not receive frequent balance patches, especially now, that was mostly only a thing around launch month, and the frequency of balance patches has nothing to do with whether something is balanced or not.
Team coordination is extremely debatable, people are still asking for resupply caches on the map or for the ability to grab ammo off their support teammates. Do you think it is incorrect to add these features? Coordination is not really required for taking out ground vehicles. Nevermind that there's also some pretty direct ways in which coordination is lacking, like how there is no in-vehicle VOIP or pings for when you have passengers that aren't squadmates, or how there isn't any way to communicate with your teammates (not squadmates) other than sitting still and typing in "omg enemy team hackers".
A well designed (casual) game will make players' egoistic decisions benefit their team nonetheless.
ChatGPT does not know what the current AA options are. High skill does not justify the extent to which aircrafts are OP. But you do not need that. You just need to not crash piloting an attack helicopter, and have at least one of your 3 squadmates not asleep so they spawn in on the flying killstreak. Powerful weapons don't matter if the vehicle is weak, that's what makes a glass cannon a glass cannon, and aircrafts being fast is literally their inherent design, unless we're talking about an AC130 which is not present in 2042. They could be slowed down, but unless they're all made into flying tractors (which kills the point of aircrafts) that's not going to change much because the main issue is the main AA infantry weapon - the stinger - is garbage and all the other options are broken in one way or another while some ALSO need a high skill floor.
You do not need some high amount of skill to explode a tank with rockets that dust half the time. You do not need to spawn into a special anti-tank jeep that doesn't take skill and fights only the one ground vehicle that does actually take some skill. You spawn in with an RPG and shoot a rocket at it and that's it. Taking more skill to pilot does not justify it, at a fundamental level if enough people go engineer and you in a vehicle attack them, you should either die or be massively suppressed to where you can't do anything.
@Lady_OneI pasted this cause someone said "I don't have to, internet already has proven point." Where do you think chatgpt analyzes and calculates answers from? 😅😂
Edit: To me it sounds, helos should not fly and should shoot tomatoes. In reality, you can't live with it more than 1 minute. Thats the truth there. 🤷♂️
But going real here. I do understand how helicopters performed at the beginning. All aircrafts are changed/nerfed many times, i've adapted i think like 4-5 times past 3 years. The thing is, i know what i'm doing. Past 6 months lobbied have advanced to heavier AA play, rookies wouldn't have any chances even to get out of mainbase. You guys are living in the past.
Edit: About skill, it really is not only about how you aim. Take incount having gamesense. Skill comes from practice and experience. Just a reminder, word is a little bit more wider.
And quick minor offtopic - how people react when they see nightbird, look at that hate. Even though post is not about helicopter, but about c5 and huge explosions not able to kill infantry and people accept it to be okay. Infantry has its own god mode and not much innocent here as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/s/ZlNWl9UeGq
And the worst TGM desync i've ever had.
Most of the woes of infantry vs aircraft boil down to the main infantry tools intended for aircraft being homing.
The problem with homing missiles is that they either will be almost unavoidable or they will never score a single kill.
This is why BF1 and BFV had relatively healthier balance, the AA were skillshot based.
The other aspect of infantry vs aircraft that is not often talked about is the comparative numbers of aircraft when compared to the numbers of infantry players who try to do something as opposed to the number of infantry players who cannot be bothered to do anything. Even the janky stingers would do a lot if the majority of the map was covered by at least one loaded stinger.
By the same logic, what do you think will happen to a nightbird if a full squad picked the Railgun rifles and started focus firing it? It had been nerfed to the point where a single person is not such a big deal but it is not the same for several people.
One could argue that the main problem in BF games since forever is how most people treat their ingame time as a solo theme park ride where they do not really have a common ground with their team.
Perhaps my thinking is weird, but I see the combined balance in BF games like how it works in Real Time Strategy games where you are supposed to have prepared the correct units and defenses instead of having a mass of a single unit type
exactly,
one can only repeat the same thing over and over again
the critisizing players are not able to take down a heli, bc they lack skill. skill means not only personal skill like aim, game sense etc.
it also means to be able and willing to do what needs to be done. even if sth is overpowered, it still can be stopped
instead they give in and react with frustration, refusal,denial and lies and the sort of things
ask for nerfs
the right thing to do would be looking in the mirror and saying. Im not good enough. our team is not good enough. with this team we wont be able to stop the heli. what can I do to improve. what can we do to improve
these people never blame their own team or themselves, but look for blaming dice and the balance. they always blame sth or someone else
its never their own fault.
there is no point in arguing with people, who lack objectiveness and foremost a champion mentality in competitive situations. such people will always turn around arguments, manipulate facts. in their favor. spread lies.
the problem here is a socio- psychological matter. if u sit behind a computer ur whole life only, and avoid struggling with society, u will get a loser mentality, that just keeps crying for nerfs, or isnt able to accept truths. just as mentioned above, that I need to improve in the first place. my team needs to improve in the first place
be a loser or become a champion
Im saying this one more time. even if they nerf aircraft and give better options for AA
the best pilots will still farm you and break you. bc they are champions
the losers will be never able to understand that, that nerfs dont matter.
the best players, the best people will find ways, always, to dominate. they are ready to work hard for that and to practice to overcome any nerf, bc they know that after all the suffering, they will dominate independent of nerfs
the same goes for any type of players in this game. if its a guy who knows how to play stingers, to play the wildcat, TGM, infy vs infy. the best players will always succeed and overcome any nerfs and all the bs that bad players create
"the critisizing players are not able to take down a heli, bc they lack skill. skill means not only personal skill like aim, game sense etc.
it also means to be able and willing to do what needs to be done. even if sth is overpowered, it still can be stopped"
- because farming infantry in an OP air vehicle takes sooooo much skill....lol
"what can I do to improve. what can we do to improve these people never blame their own team or themselves"
- yeah! come on 63-other-random-players-who-i'll-never-see-again - what can we do to improve next time? Oh, you've gone..... lol
"there is no point in arguing with people, who lack objectiveness and foremost a champion mentality in competitive situations"
- didn't realise I needed to be an Olympian to play BF.... lol
"the problem here is a socio- psychological matter. if u sit behind a computer ur whole life only, and avoid struggling with society, u will get a loser mentality"
- wow that's deep man. You a college boy or something?
"be a loser or become a champion"
- someone here has seen too many Rocky movies....lol
"the best pilots will still farm you and break you. bc they are champions"
- OK, thanks Tom Cruise. Back to bed now....
Im getting a bit tired of repeating
buffs to AA in any way, nerfs to aircraft in any way, wont change the fact that ace pilots will adapt and dominate
@MADMAC50K
We definitely needed some stationary AA guns in 2042. The ones on the relatively recent map are a joke + they are fodder for AGMs
Personally I consider my personal duty to abandon my loadout and change to whatever I need to try to crash that helicopter. If I need to switch to something with missiles, I will redeploy to change for it, same with the rest. I did get desperate enough to use the railgun rifle and the anti material rifle vs the Nightbird in Haven a few times.
I avoid talking about "skill issue". Skill is the measure of good someone is at something.
What most people lack the most in my teams (at least the ones that get hammered by air) is "effort".
As my Kickboxing master said a few weeks ago: "People who make mistakes are people who are at least trying, we should not be embarrassed for our failures as long as we are still trying"
I mean... who many times were you not doing our best in order to nail some pilot and your team seemed to try to ignore the problem.
They definitely did not have to give pilots all those warnings for the manually guided rockets too. I only need to hear the incoming TGM and immediately attempt a barrel roll without even seeing it.
I do hope that DFH ops will be good enough to make DICE look itself in the mirror a bit.
I do not know which region you are from but it could be fun to try to see if we can one day team up to see how much we can do vs enemy helis.
It always gets a lot better if there are more people who try together.
