Re: I stopped my pre-ordering plan

I am a 46 year old gamer but I realised long long ago pre ordering games just fuels devs releasing games in any state they seem fit!

And the old access to beta builds of the game is ridiculous because dice can literally change the game with patches on a whim, did you all not play battlefield v?

All your doing pre ordering is supporting bad business practices yet I bet these people are the first to complain when the game is full of bugs on release.

@MephiticshepardUnderstood.

I also enjoy pre-ordering still and am looking forward to this one. I agree that some people should not be so quick to write-off others... for any reason.

@emerson1975  I would like to completely agree with you, except that pre-ordering also supports the continued development of the game moving forward.  BF4 launched in a poor state, but the initial sales of it enabled and set the conditions for EA DICE to change it for the better, which made it arguably the best Battlefield game of all.

Also... patches are not created "on a whim"...

Me? I just get excited and makes me feel like it's happening now...

Patches have been created in a whim, every time people cry something is overpowered because they simply die by it they change it or even completely change the ttk of the game like they did with bfv.

What you play in a beta stage can be vastly different to what your playing 6 month later!

@emerson1975  If a month is "on a whim" to you... then sure.  No one disagrees that the game can, and will, change... so I am not sure what your point is anymore.

So do you disagree that preorders support further game development?

@emerson1975The original game is getting made / developed regardless of pre-orders.  It is up-front cost.  So, pre-orders help to pay for that cost once they are processed.

Further, it is a pre-order, so the consumer takes on zero-cost, or risk if you like, until delivery of said-item.  Additionally, a publisher / developer can see and gauge initial interest and pre-order sales to determine go / no-go criteria of follow-on development based on that data.

Are you really going to believe that the initial response to BFV did not affect it's following development or lack thereof?

I think you are willingly putting your head in the sand on this...

@lzilchetlAm glad you get it

I don’t understand my self why anyone would pre order solely on marketing claims lol it’s ridiculous for a game that’s 70$

@lzilchetlI agree with you... so I am not sure where you are going with this?  At this point, I am kind of done talking through it... @emerson1975 seems pretty all-in on pre-orders = dumb , which is certainly an opinion that is not entirely unfounded, but it is not universal either.

There's only one reason I would pre-order. Which is to get the Midnight skin so I can camp invisible in dark corners and get cheap kills. 😁

Edit: actually looking closer at the pre-order wording, it appears the stuff in the bottom picture is only pre-order content.

So I guess you don't even have to pre-order to get the Midnight skin. So yeah, feel free to play the beta and then decide if you want to buy the Ultimate Edition for cheap kills!

@VOLBANKER_PC I don't mind skins so long as they're done in good taste and don't turn into this.

I'm more worried about the gameplay. Such as TTK and player movement being too fast with no body weight. And of course bots in multiplayer.

But you're right, DICE knows exactly what they're doing releasing a pitch black Roze skin in Battlefield for $120. They're cashing in on a cosmetic item that gives a gameplay advantage.

I imagine after BFV there's a lot of pressure on upper management at DICE to make money in BF2042, otherwise EA could potentially turn DICE into a mobile games studio. I say that because that's where most of the money is now-a-days.

Hopefully DICE can deliver.

Bots will kill us no matter what skin we have 😃