@buzzed1979 From what I understand It's so some players don't feel hurt, let down and insecure about their performance at the end of the game. In my opinion it's a massive own goal but I'm virtually 100% sure this will be back some time soon, well hopefully next update.
@David6479I heard that excuse/explanation before, but I simply don't get it.
If the removal of the scoreboard would have been about the 'not wanting to hurt feelings' thing, then what about the many MORE players that got the middle finger when DICE decided to call this feature that almost all of us deem essential to ANY competitive FPS a 'legacy feature'. This at least hurts MY feelings. And I guess many other players feel the same and I would also bet that there are MORE players that feel hurt by the removal of the scoreboard that those few that would be 'hurt' if the pressed TAB by accident and saw they had a bad K/D.
As written before: the scoreboard has more functions that just checking ones own K/D. It also serves as a tool to confirm suspected cheaters. And IF someone cannot deal with seeing her K/D, then just don't press TAB and don't look at the damn thing. It is not forced on you. Just don't show it at the end of the round to everyone not interested but let people select the 'scoreboard'-tab like in BF5. Problem solved.
@DuaneDibbley wrote:@David6479I heard that excuse/explanation before, but I simply don't get it.
If the removal of the scoreboard would have been about the 'not wanting to hurt feelings' thing, then what about the many MORE players that got the middle finger when DICE decided to call this feature that almost all of us deem essential to ANY competitive FPS a 'legacy feature'. This at least hurts MY feelings. And I guess many other players feel the same and I would also bet that there are MORE players that feel hurt by the removal of the scoreboard that those few that would be 'hurt' if the pressed TAB by accident and saw they had a bad K/D.
As written before: the scoreboard has more functions that just checking ones own K/D. It also serves as a tool to confirm suspected cheaters. And IF someone cannot deal with seeing her K/D, then just don't press TAB and don't look at the damn thing. It is not forced on you. Just don't show it at the end of the round to everyone not interested but let people select the 'scoreboard'-tab like in BF5. Problem solved.
You do realise that you can still see your kills and deaths when you press Tab, right?
@filthy_vegansI am not so sure you read my post at all. Did you find any mention of me not being able to see MY K/D. Or that the problem is about this AT ALL? I can solve partial differential equations (some at least 😉 ), so I am perfectly able to divide two natural numbers. Thank you very much.
If you would have read the whole text you quoted from my post, you would have had a very hard time to NOT see this part of my post: "It also serves as a tool to confirm suspected cheaters.".
We need a scoreboard as at least one more input before reporting suspected cheaters.
Well that, and maybe a spectator mode, but the times where I actually went from playing to spectating just to be sure not to issue an unjust ban when we as admins could still do that back in the day of BF4 on our own servers -- and via Metabans on all other servers that participated -- are over. Now I only have one or two deaths to a person, killing me through a wall or over large distances with a SMG that i SUSPECT to be cheating (with a still very high probability that it's the engine that is at fault) that I have to report. I guess that now 50% of my reports are in error, but lacking any tool to at least see the person has an unusual high K/D I just have to report too many players. This is bad for me (the time I have to invest in the process) and for EA, having to check those accounts and see in which instances I was right.
As far as BF4 is concerned I can guarantee I did never ban any player that was not cheating. I always made sure by spectating first and if in doubt, did not act. Now, I report everyone that is at least reasonably suspicious and hand the job over to EA to do the verification. With a scoreboard I would at least skip that part for all players with a K/D of <4 or so in the round (sill some false positive reports, but without spectator mode, this is as far as I can help).
I played some V a few weeks ago and had some new players in squad, like level 30 something. We were working decently well with each other using voip. At the end of the round he made top of our team, and I congratulated him. He said " why, what did I do?" Then he noticed he was at the top and was really happy he did that well. When more of my platoon mates played V, we would congratulate the top squad or if someone did well. With 2042 end of round is so meh its a good time to go pee or get something to drink. Its hard to tell how well you have done. No sense of pride or joy because you don't know how well you have done
@fragnstein After storming a flag and single handedly annihilating an enemy team while reviving a large group of friendly's I get to the end and it's Victory. With a satisfactory grin on my face the line up appears and I get a "x1 Grenade kill", WHAT!! I want to see my accomplishments and sacrifices, but yeah your right it's just enough time to go boil the kettle.
What's wrong with a legacy feature if it's a good one? We must resist this direction or we will be stuck with it in this and future Battlefields.
@DaveTheBrave_USA wrote:What's wrong with a legacy feature if it's a good one? We must resist this direction or we will be stuck with it in this and future Battlefields.
I sure do not hope we get a future without a scoreboard or server browser.
Its much easier to hide the fact this game is hacked to death with no score board.
@DuaneDibbley wrote:@filthy_vegansI am not so sure you read my post at all. Did you find any mention of me not being able to see MY K/D. Or that the problem is about this AT ALL? I can solve partial differential equations (some at least 😉 ), so I am perfectly able to divide two natural numbers. Thank you very much.
If you would have read the whole text you quoted from my post, you would have had a very hard time to NOT see this part of my post: "It also serves as a tool to confirm suspected cheaters.".
We need a scoreboard as at least one more input before reporting suspected cheaters.
Well that, and maybe a spectator mode, but the times where I actually went from playing to spectating just to be sure not to issue an unjust ban when we as admins could still do that back in the day of BF4 on our own servers -- and via Metabans on all other servers that participated -- are over. Now I only have one or two deaths to a person, killing me through a wall or over large distances with a SMG that i SUSPECT to be cheating (with a still very high probability that it's the engine that is at fault) that I have to report. I guess that now 50% of my reports are in error, but lacking any tool to at least see the person has an unusual high K/D I just have to report too many players. This is bad for me (the time I have to invest in the process) and for EA, having to check those accounts and see in which instances I was right.
As far as BF4 is concerned I can guarantee I did never ban any player that was not cheating. I always made sure by spectating first and if in doubt, did not act. Now, I report everyone that is at least reasonably suspicious and hand the job over to EA to do the verification. With a scoreboard I would at least skip that part for all players with a K/D of <4 or so in the round (sill some false positive reports, but without spectator mode, this is as far as I can help).
I was simply noting that the points people keep making about "protecting people's feelings" by preventing them from seeing their KDR is based on something that is just not true. There's a lot of nonsense spoken on this forum. The use of "you" was the generic 3rd person, not the direct 2nd person; using "one" would seem a bit pompous when talking to angry internet folk. I'll make sure I use it next time I really want to trigger someone.
If you can't even get basic factual accuracy right, why should anyone listen to what you have to say?
I agree that the scoreboard is useful to identify rage hackers, but that's about the only potentially impactful use.
@DaveTheBrave_USA wrote:
@filthy_vegansThat's not the point.
If it's not the point, why do people keep saying it?
@filthy_vegans wrote:
@DuaneDibbley wrote:@David6479I heard that excuse/explanation before, but I simply don't get it.
If the removal of the scoreboard would have been about the 'not wanting to hurt feelings' thing, then what about the many MORE players that got the middle finger when DICE decided to call this feature that almost all of us deem essential to ANY competitive FPS a 'legacy feature'. This at least hurts MY feelings. And I guess many other players feel the same and I would also bet that there are MORE players that feel hurt by the removal of the scoreboard that those few that would be 'hurt' if the pressed TAB by accident and saw they had a bad K/D.
As written before: the scoreboard has more functions that just checking ones own K/D. It also serves as a tool to confirm suspected cheaters. And IF someone cannot deal with seeing her K/D, then just don't press TAB and don't look at the damn thing. It is not forced on you. Just don't show it at the end of the round to everyone not interested but let people select the 'scoreboard'-tab like in BF5. Problem solved.You do realise that you can still see your kills and deaths when you press Tab, right?
Everybody knows or they should know that they can see their own game stats when they press tab. It's obviously that players want to see where they are placing in terms of the other players on the team, the other players stats to see who is best and worst, and also to see how players on the other team are doing and to try to spot potential hackers. That's the rather obvious point that you seem to overlook.
@DaveTheBrave_USA I genuinely also want the ability to say GG to the rest of the team and a 20 second scoreboard will let me do that.
