I've been working on the T1 for the 12M and mostly using Redacted for it. It's strong up close, don't get me wrong, but Redacted is a CQC map primarily so it kind of comes with the territory in my mind.
@ElliotLHThat's fair, but on the other hand, Redacted is the only CQC map we have without vehicles. It's a pretty small map too. Shotguns are a little too potent compared to everything else when talking about the tight areas of the map.
An SMG should out range the 880 and only lose to a shotgun up close in theory. In practice, the 880 has just as much usable range as any SMG because of the map design.
The 12m is a complete bot gun in my opinion as well. Turn brain off, jump around a corner, spam fire, get kills. I've done it from time to time and it's fun, but a little much for the map in my opinion.
Then there is only 1 solution tbh, make them weak
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@RaginSamI'd say that's a fair comment too. My main concern is around balancing weapons based on one map not being effective. Then again shotguns are difficult to balance in games - they're either too powerful or too weak - so I don't know what the solution is here.
The map could have a built in limit on the number of tactical weapons allowed per side. I thought of excluding the Ghost Maker from that list but it's a one shot kill weapon too.
