@ElliotLHThat's fair, but on the other hand, Redacted is the only CQC map we have without vehicles. It's a pretty small map too. Shotguns are a little too potent compared to everything else when talking about the tight areas of the map.
An SMG should out range the 880 and only lose to a shotgun up close in theory. In practice, the 880 has just as much usable range as any SMG because of the map design.
The 12m is a complete bot gun in my opinion as well. Turn brain off, jump around a corner, spam fire, get kills. I've done it from time to time and it's fun, but a little much for the map in my opinion.
Then there is only 1 solution tbh, make them weak
Feel like you can put a sniper scope on them and pick people off. Those things have some 1 shot range to them
So the 12m is only really good on this one map and you think it should be nerfed because of it, that's silly, its like 12m players complaining that AR's are better on every other map and asking to nerf everything to suit them.
Let the 12m have its one map and learn to counter it.
@ElliotLH wrote:
@RaginSamI'd say that's a fair comment too. My main concern is around balancing weapons based on one map not being effective. Then again shotguns are difficult to balance in games - they're either too powerful or too weak - so I don't know what the solution is here.
The map could have a built in limit on the number of tactical weapons allowed per side. I thought of excluding the Ghost Maker from that list but it's a one shot kill weapon too.
@DaveTheBrave_USA wrote:
@ElliotLH wrote:
@RaginSamI'd say that's a fair comment too. My main concern is around balancing weapons based on one map not being effective. Then again shotguns are difficult to balance in games - they're either too powerful or too weak - so I don't know what the solution is here.The map could have a built in limit on the number of tactical weapons allowed per side. I thought of excluding the Ghost Maker from that list but it's a one shot kill weapon too.
That would be so horribly annoying to try to spawn and see "sorry too many (x weapon) pick something else". Just like there were the mods on the BF4 servers with only X number of recon/snipers allowed and such. Then you just get chat filled with "can someone please switch from x-weapon?! I'm really good with it!!! or I need to use it for my challenges!!!11"
