Objective spawn points are absolutely broken at the moment.There's absolutely no chance to spawn on an objective to defend it, because there will be 5 enemies looking at you, because the game decided to spawn you out in the open with 0 cover.I don't know what Dice was thinking or if any of the people responsible for this actually played their own game. This needs to be addressed asap. It's no fun to spawn in and die instantly because the game put you in front of 5 enemies without any cover to take.

@Boyler73i think it's worse that the spawn points seem semi-static.When people sit in vehicles on the field right behind D1 on renewal and wait for people to spawn at the corner of the building so they can mow down respawns as you said, that's a problem.It's a general problem in a lot of maps as has been said here already, not just on respawns, there's giant gaps between a lot of the objectives on all maps where you basically have to cross open ground and become vehicle bait unless you have a vehicle of your own.

@EA_BlueberryThis is my observation for Breakthru:The worst map since Thursday is Renewal > when I thinking about the first two points, I get flashbacks to BF3/B4, it comes close to a lockdown in your own spawn.The defenders can get way to close to your main spawn and if there is a little unbalance you are not able to get out and capture both points.This layout is ridiculous.Also, on every map I played since Thursday I have observed the same Issues as OP.If you have an own point that will captured by the enemy and you spawn on it, there is a very high chance (60%-70%) that you standing direct in front of enemies or in the open as a living target for everyone.

@EA_Blueberry almost all the maps have objectives where you spawn to the side of the objective, instead of behind it towards your own spawn.Renewal is a perfect example, if you own D1 or D2 (C128) as RU, you spawn to the sides of the buildings. D1 is the worst as you spawn in an open field where the enemy who may be capping that point just mow you down instantly.Orbital - For Breakthrough, US side for B1 spawns to the north of the facility (instead of behind it - East) right where enemy is attacking the point. They can camp the hill above you and just take you out instantly as you spawn.D1 for Orbital, you spawn in the open field to the North instead of behind cover to the east or west, depending on who owns it.Breakaway - At the oil rig, you spawn off to the side of the rig with no cover instead of in front or behind it depending on what faction you are on.Kaleidoscope - E1 and E2 - you spawn in the wide open to the side of the point, especially E2, when you spawn to the North. Easy pickins.Hourglass - basically every spawn as the entire map has zero cover.

Absolutely agreeJust played renewal US team and even when we held objective D1 and D2, when I spawned on them, I'd be put on the North East Side of the building. Directly in front of opposing base where there are 2/3 enemy vehicles ready to bust me up miles away from cover

You are absolutely right @Fringerunner ,The root cause of this problem is that there appear only to be one or two fixed spawn points for each flag/sector we may be able to spawn into. So not like 4-6 different spawn points available for each flag/sector as we have always had in previous BF games. Where then some game logic system is checking to see which of these 4-6 alternative spawn points is:where you have most of your own friendlies aroundwhere you have least of enemies just next to youwhere you have some level of protectionSo to enable a reasonable spawn point, where you are not just mowed down by enemies right as you spawn in. The current kill-harvesting by folks camping in a vehicle just at a singular enemy spawn point is horrible lazy game design.

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Pekmez-Pita
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
What's that? Another glaring issue that should have been fixed ages ago?
I am shocked! Shocked! I say!
Not only are the cap point spawns easily spawn camped. The spawn menu UI continues to be atrocious. Why i can't i zoom in so i can select specific spawn point when there's several UI elements overlapping?!
Why is none of this crap addressed yet?
ATFGunr
Legend
4 years ago
@EA_BlueberryIt’s true in both conquest and breakthrough, although the spawns in breakthrough are worse. It’s a delicate balance of course, you need to spawn closer to the points to try and hold them, and the enemy could be in there, and that’s risk players have to take if willing to jump back into the action. The game could / should be able to not spawn you directly in front of a tank however, as it has to be multiple times on different maps. Asking your players to tell you where all the bad spawns are really implies y’all don’t play the game, and if you don’t, how the heck could you ever contribute to the fixes?
Zhukov211
4 years ago
@EA_Blueberry
other maps and objectives with poor cover and poor spawn points
128 player Conquest
- Discarded B1, A1, E1. Again we are often spawned
in predictable locations in wide in open ground either on the flag in clear view of multiple enemies or in the middle of a road in clear view of multiple enemies. That’s with the objective being both uncontested and contested. Part of the problem is the fact that there’s little good cover inside the capture zones but great cover all around the capote zone. It’s literally like shooting fish in a barrel for defenders of these objectives.

- Kaleidoscope D1, E1, E2, B1 and B2. Open fields all around the objective. Spawn points spawn us in clear view of multiple enemies.

- Hourglass A2 and A3(Sports Stadium) defending players are spawned in the “play field” of the stadium and are easily farmed by vehicles or enemy infantry that sit and wait to camp these predictable spawn points.

Note that there is ZERO overhead cover on most of the spawn points and objectives mentioned above so infantry are always easy prey for helicopters.
Adamonic
Legend
4 years ago
@EA_Blueberry almost all the maps have objectives where you spawn to the side of the objective, instead of behind it towards your own spawn.

Renewal is a perfect example, if you own D1 or D2 (C128) as RU, you spawn to the sides of the buildings. D1 is the worst as you spawn in an open field where the enemy who may be capping that point just mow you down instantly.

Orbital - For Breakthrough, US side for B1 spawns to the north of the facility (instead of behind it - East) right where enemy is attacking the point. They can camp the hill above you and just take you out instantly as you spawn.

D1 for Orbital, you spawn in the open field to the North instead of behind cover to the east or west, depending on who owns it.

Breakaway - At the oil rig, you spawn off to the side of the rig with no cover instead of in front or behind it depending on what faction you are on.

Kaleidoscope - E1 and E2 - you spawn in the wide open to the side of the point, especially E2, when you spawn to the North. Easy pickins.

Hourglass - basically every spawn as the entire map has zero cover.
Kaptyn027
4 years ago
Thanks for this Adamonic....
"D1 for Orbital, you spawn in the open field to the North instead of behind cover to the east or west, depending on who owns it."
After reading the request for more specific information I was going to chime in with this little gem that has literally been in the game since BEFORE it was released.
This spawn point out in the middle of a field with no cover for at least 80 metres was present in the first open beta test.....and it's still there.
Perhaps the devs should be asking their QA testers?
You know them......the guys they should be paying to play the game and provide this sort of information rather than relying on their consumers who paid for the game.
Breakthough spawns are pretty bad because you don't have any option of spawning somewhere else. Like when you are defending and respawn only to have to try to run across open ground to reach the stupidly small amount of cover that actually surrounds the objective point. More cover BEHIND and on the points is needed in Breakthrough to allow defenders to traverse to the point.
Conquest spawns are less restrictive but there are still some pretty bad ones in play.
- D1 , Orbital, Conquest 128 (good luck finding a 128 player match) is a prime example.
Kap.
Matty101yttam
4 years ago
Honestly instead of having AI learn and manage censorship(badly) like in bfv, this is where it should shine, AI learning weighting player duration vs even kd situations from both parties will quickly have the AI dynamically adding in good spawn points based on enemy position.

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