Specialist and freeclass system is Better than the OLD Class system VIDEO inside

@Bolvard

I will always take better performances and always would love more stability but there is difference between complaining about things that could be fixed with checking out of the ram is at correct speed if the PC has the proper specs for the game etc.. Enabling DX12 in folders  disabling WeaponDOF etc.. 

You can blame the devs all you want but the game is not super bad in terms of performances on a wide ariety of harware wich are at least 6 cores to 8 cores cpus .. the 4 cores struglle with this game and ive never said otherwise .. Also 6 cores cpu will also struggle if the RAM of the system is not at least at 3200mhz CL14 ideally , CL16 is good and CL18 still acceptable ..

I have tons of videos where my FPS are diplayed you are free to look at it anytime

Conquest 128 : 90-110 FPS mostly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBT_6wBk38g

hazardzone : 110-130 FPS mostly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYP2OEp-ZGc


So saying the game run insanely poorly would not be fair , its not running amasing wich for me would be a solid 140+ FPS but its not that far off from it

Its also not a SUB 50 FPS or Sub 42 FPS as so many peoples trolling reddit pretend it to be .. If they get these FPS either their hardware is really bad or there is something wrong with their configuration

@Man_iLoveFishing
Well there is some issue with the game indeed that look like stutter but are server side rubberbanding wich is indeed very anoying ..

Also have you try to Disable WeaponDOF in the settings folders with Notepad++

These were the most impactfull to me to reduce stutter , improove performances and reduce input lag

Dx12Enabled 1          change from 0 to 1 
GstRender.WeaponDOF 0   Change from 1 to 0 
sensitivitysheme 0.0000000   change from 1.00000 to 0.0000 for all 3  

By DX crash you mean DX crashes not DX12 crashes right ?

Because by default the game run on DX11 but run poorly for me i had to go into the folder setting and change it trough Notepad++ in order to get DX12 enable and its way smoother for me at least and so far everyones i know with RTX and even some with GTX cards 

https://youtu.be/KRTRN9WDa5E?t=635

Here in this digital foundry video they explain the issue with rubberbanding that feel like frametime issue . But there is definitly some frame time issues here and there but it look less problematic to me at least since i have change the game to DX12 

What the author don't get is that It's not only that the old class system was promoting teamplaying, it's the way it was doing it. It was making people being a teamplayer without them doing it on purpose, or without even realizing.

Yes people were using the class based on what themself wanted to do at the moment, BUT it was impacting in a good way people around them :

- People wanting to use Assault, were defined as Medic. The consequences, they were leaving medic crate all over behind them or were reviving people around them. 

- In BF2042 medic crate are more rare than diamond. Reviving happen times to times not because someone took the tool, it just happen they had the specialist 

- People wanting to use LMG, they were support. Consequences you could find a trail of ammo behind them.

- In 2042 thanks god we can grab ammo from dead people, because Ammo crate are not as rare as medic one, but still are. 

- People wanting to repair/destroy vehicle, the engineer. Consequence, you own them a lot everytime they saved your as* when you were a Medic or Support or Sniper facing a tank. And yes in previous BF (mostly BC2) i got many time repaired by a random engineer. Being the driver or gunner with who i was sharing the vehicle, or a dude passing by. The same way when i lost my vehicle i was repairing the ones around me if i still was engineer. 

- Don't think i ever saw a single dude repairing anything in 2042. However it's RPG party everybody no matter the class has one. Consequence, no one have ammo or medic crate or any other tool that we would really need. 

- People wanting to be Sniper well, were sniper. And their spawn balise were really usefull for the entire team allowing other class to join the party quickly. 

- No comment actually radio is the only tool i see used among the RPG

So yes, the new system completly lost any teamplaying, it's solo party no more cohesion. Also a detail, in previous BF as class being showcased by appearance you could go to a teammate and ask for what you needed. Now it's just ridiculous skins to try to make specialist look fancy, i don't know they thought it was a COD or BattleRoyal ? 

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Now, YES the new system has good idea, allowing to go deeper in your class customisation. As you said for exemple the Recon should not be limited to long range weapons. But some limits need to be placed. So that some types of weapon still has to be dedicated to some class. The same way some tool still has to be dedicated to some class. For exemple it doesnt make sense for someone to be running around with a long range weapon, and a * RPG on the back. 

It could work this way, quick exemple  : 

RECON

- Main : Assault / Marksman / Sniper 

- Secondary : All

- Gadget : Soflam / C5 / Radio

- Grenade : Frag / Sensor / EMI

- Speciality : All available, but you still has the appearance of your class, tunned to match the speciality 

SUPPORT

- Main : Assault / LMG

- Secondary : All

- Gadget : Ammo crate / Bullet proof / RPG

- Grenade : Frag / Fog / Fire

- Speciality : All available, but you still has the appearance of your class, tunned to match the speciality 

MEDIC

- Main : Assault / SMG

- Secondary : All

- Gadget : Medic crate / Medic Gun / Revive kit for all squad (no more a specialist)

- Grenade : Frag / Fog / Fire

- Speciality : All available, but you still has the appearance of your class, tunned to match the speciality 

ENGINEER

- Main : Assault / Utility

- Secondary : All

- Gadget : Repair / RPG / AA FXM / Mine 

- Grenade : Frag / EMI / Fire

- Speciality : All available, but you still has the appearance of your class, tunned to match the speciality 

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@VRACinque wrote:

- Speciality : All available, but you still has the appearance of your class, tunned to match the speciality 

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I will comment only on what've I've quoted as I've already expressed my opinion about the new specialist system on another page of this thread.

Why ppl started to realize with the release of BF2042 that you cannot know what class is the enemy using judging by the appearance?!

This trend started a long ago with BF5 where you can customize your solider as you wish - you can also opt for a elite (legendary) skin which can be used by all classes. So in BF5 you can practically have the same elite skin applied to multiple teammates, no matter what classes are they using, at the same time - e.g. 20 x Seamus as assaults, medics, supports, recons in the same team.

Why no one noticed that before?!

@VME23And you couldnt know wthat gadjets BF4 classes were using either could you ? Did you knew that support was having a mortar or c5 or xm25 or whatever he wanted ? Hell no you could not

In 2042 you are 100% sure of what primary gadjet the specialist have .. and for the second gadjet its irrevelant to know in advance ..

If you want i can give you the full list of all custumizable gadjets in BF4 and the 2 gadjet slots were custumizable so supports did not always had amo while Angel always 100% have amo Falk always 100% have healing 

And recons could have any of these equipped there was no way to know what ..

PLD  C4 Explosive  Motion Sensor  RFB  Radio Beacon  T-UGS   SOFLAM   MAV  M18 Claymore SUAVDS-3 etc.. 

How did you know wich one he had ? Yep you did not 

While sundance you know exactly she has 3 type of grenade and the last gadjet is 1 pick among the normal variety even more predictable than bf4 

@Stew360 

I would be hypocrite to say that you're not correct in this matter.

In BF4 it was hard to distinguish what class you were fighting with and that's due to many reason.

It wasn't a showstopper because of the 3D spotting mechanism that was set in place.

Once DICE got rid of the 3D spotting mechanic with the release of BF5 - everyone started to complain about visibility - for me this wasn't a issue.

In BF2042 it's correct, I know who am I fighting with - against what specialist no matter what skin is he using - each specialist has different running, standing posture, even ADSing animation which can be distinguishable even from far distance.

And I remember that one dude wrote here on this thread that in BF2042 you don't know who's having an Ammo or Health crate equipped - well that's not correct, you can find who's carrying what in these two instances:

- when you're low on Ammo or low on HP

- when you're using the comm rose and ask for Ammo or HP

In both of these instances the specialists who carries an Ammo/Health crate will pop up on the minimap and the bubble over their heads will change into a Ammo icon or HP icon.

I understand that this is a fine detail which no one observed because a lot of ppl prematurely stopped playing the game and the content creators stopped making videos about BF2042 with tips & tricks. As a YT content creator you don't want to upset the vocal part of this community and that's the reason why everyone made a subtle statement via Twitter /.Reddit / Discord or YT video that it's with the community or against it.

In these days if you're enjoying BF2042 in its current buggy & unfinished state, with tons of missing legacy features - you're against the community and everyone will bash you for what you enjoy.

@VME23Well back in the beta i had proposed a solution to know exactly what to expect from team mates by having the bluedot replaced by icon representing gadjets so this way youll know their primary and secondary gadjets for sure for those really into that ..

But my problems i have with poeoples complaints is that i cannot find them legitimate and there is obviously a hidden agenda or huge ignorance or misconception about old system and new ones ..

BF4 wich as been used so much a some sort of gold standard for many ... In Bf4 as a exemple an  engineer was no garantee he had RPG or Repair .. Even if he had those thing there was no garantee hell help you lol ..

Most complaints against the new system turn in circle with 2 points .

1 : Pretending the old classes system  limit solo players .. no true never been true .. Solo players were legions in BF2 playing Assault and specops mostly or camping vehicles with engineers ..Switching kit on the ground to give themselves amo then switch back to their kit etc..

Recon highjacking air vehicles to crash them so they could camp on a high rise spot with a spawn becon etc..

2: Pretending the old classes system improove teamplay . this also has never been true .. All BF games have been different in terms of classes and none had better teamplay Its always been a per game thing and still the same in 2042 some games you get zombie blueberry some games you get amasing randoms teamplay ..

What is lacking in all BF modes bigger than 64 players is a command structure , organized like 16 players 4 squads of 4 part of a platoon with platoon leader voip broadcast where players opt in or out of the roles .. Bigger players lobby not limited to 4 but more like 16 .. Proximity Voip so you can teamplay with randoms and make new friends etc.. etc.. This is what is lacking the most to improove teamwork ... everyones anecdotes are irrevelant .. ive seen it all in all bf to be honest from really bad team to decent to really good and its always been the same

@Bolvard
Well not really 100% but most BF games had the same animations bases for all

But BFV had some gruesome knife animations thats for sure and i would have prefered that to the buggy looking execution we are getting in 2042 .. but thats beside the point ..

Peoples who critics BF 2042 art direction or setting are comparing apples to oranges .. BFV was meant to be a gruesome somewhat gruesome and more darktone game even if it dosnt feel like that in 60% of the maps ..

But map that are super pre demolish to show a " theatre of wars " where you have fire and mostly broken citys etc.. Is not the same as trying to acomplish a 128 players combine arms semi futuristic battle game .. BF 2042 graphics folliage etc.. are way better than BFV .. but the thing is BFV was builded in a more " Scenery " type of things with iconic type of environement not BF2042 .. Still Obital , manifest and discarded even hoursglass and renewal are way better looking than BFV maps overall .. its just BFV has more scripted pre destroyed building etc.. that add to the scenery while BF2042 is more clean when its not destroyed by players 

BF1 or BFV or BF1942 elitism is kinda silly to me .. I am bored to death of World war games .. since 2004 I played almost only that all my teen years with some quake and unreal tournament etc.. here and there with some CS even then we had some World war mods etc.. but worlds war have very little to offer in terms of interesting gameplay .. Its just a immersion thing and D-day senarios i have seen it done that millions of time ..

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@Stew360 wrote:

What is lacking in all BF modes bigger than 64 players is a command structure , organized like 16 players 4 squads of 4 part of a platoon with platoon leader voip broadcast where players opt in or out of the roles .. Bigger players lobby not limited to 4 but more like 16 .. Proximity Voip so you can teamplay with randoms and make new friends etc.. etc.. This is what is lacking the most to improove teamwork ... everyones anecdotes are irrevelant .. ive seen it all in all bf to be honest from really bad team to decent to really good and its always been the same

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Well, I don't believe we will have a command structure system in place in any of the current & future BF titles anymore.

BF as a franchise departed a long time ago from the MilSim genre and followed a more casual approach to please a wider or a more casual audience - see BF1 sales no.

Fortunately or unfortunately this is the new 'core' community that DICE needs to please right now (new wave of BF players from BF1) because these 'casual' players will generate revenue during the course of the game's lifecycle.

Although, basic features like Squad VoIP or Proximity VoIP I'm pretty sure will be added later on.

On Europe region, I barely heard someone talking or giving orders via voice. We've learned to use the comm rose commands / ping system or even squad chat (on PC) to give or follow orders pretty well - here the language barrier may interfere with that.

I usually play solo or duo with my wife, and I had a ton of good moments where the team work / squad work thrived and carried the whole team to a win situation - in BF3, 4, 1, 5 & 2042 as well. If I'm joining a game with a premade squad from my local community where we have 66 active BF2042 players, we are using Discord to communicate anyway - so for us, the missing VoIP feature is not that important.