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Dice could whiteflag a permanent Portal mode that allow progression and xp that put " specialist " into a classes restricted setup ..
But AllOutWarfare should remain the experience it was envisioned to be and expanded uppon ..
Portal was made for legacy stuff if they desperatly want it they can have it there and wont be to much work for dice ..
They need to update portal editor to accomodate new rules for classes/specialist restriction .. But also themselves create a mode where Mckay , sundance , Dozer are Assault restricted to traditional type assault gears etc.. and allow progressions ,Xp and medals in those vanilla featured portal servers with tool to prevent players willingness to boost one another ..
Also Portals stats should be separated from Base game if stats ever come out
So if I understand you correctly. The portal could be a copy with server browser and modified specialists in classes. More or less.
- 4 years ago
@SirBobdkKinda yes with an expanded tool that allow moddable " Specialist/classes" but those wouldn't be white flag for XP .
Dice could make a portal template and a Legacy AOW permanent mode where poeoples could either use vanilla setting code to start a server that is white listed or they could start a matchmaking in " legacy AOW " From the featured mode and get full xp , progression .. But specialist subclass whithin a classes would be limited to certain weapons and gadjets similar to old BF games Isnt it why portal was created in the first place ? - 4 years ago@SirBobdk Well with the numbers of empty servers i have seen its kinda useless to keep them open .. Also as i said They need to create a white flaged template code you get from BF portal https://portal.battlefield.com/experience/
So peoples can setup clan match etc.. with the " Legacy AOW " if they want or community servers that allow XP but monitored to prevent boosting etc..
But also need to put on a permanent featured experience matchmaking for Legacy AOW ... this way everyones happy ?
Is it a good compromise enough for you ? Those who love the new system will play the new system those who prefer legacy system will play it this way and both will have access to progressions , Medals , XP etc.. - 4 years ago@SirBobdk https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/DICE-how-to-please-everyones-Classes-amp-Specialist-2042-Vanilla/m-p/11235465#M83127 Here is your compromise mate and its a pretty good one .. It has everything peoples would need from servers browser already in portal to white flagged full progression games with " Artificial limitation " on classes or subgroups of specialist
- SirBobdk4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Stew360
Those who love the new system will play the new system those who prefer legacy system will play it this way and both will have access to progressions , Medals , XP etc..
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Yes it could work. But still, Rental Servers are better than free. Empty servers are just removed with filter. Stable servers provide better flow and gameplay while maintaining a community. Or at least thats how it used to be. - 4 years ago
@SirBobdk
Well to be honest i despise players owned servers with lots of abuse etc..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac9_1hwXeww
As you can see here ... I got banned left and right non stop because i took whatever vehicles the admin friend wanted or i kept killing them etc.. and this happen recently as well while going back to BF4 lol so yeah
Still i think portal has democratised the process and allow anyones to host a servers - X-Sunslayer-X4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Stew360 but isn't that anecdotal evidence?
one badmin does not mean the entire RSP is a horrible idea....
and by what can be seen you either screwed with the owner in some way because i doubt he just randomly calls you out by name in global chat just to ban you.... - 4 years ago@X-Sunslayer-X
One bad admin wasnt the picture here .. it has been since BF3 admin abuse over admin abuse at least for good players .. Me and my clan were always getting banned , switch team etc.. non stop it became a meme at some point so its not anecdotes .. Of course Bad players dont have to worry they are there to be farmed By admin and friends - SirBobdk4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Stew360
My opinion both as former Admin and player has been that Clan Servers in most cases were properly run. And yes then there were servers run by single people who abused their power. I have only experienced few problems with Clan Servers in the past. Sorry that you have experienced the opposite. - Psubond4 years agoLegend
can't believe no one posted this:
- VME234 years agoRising Hotshot
@X-Sunslayer-X wrote:
@Stew360but isn't that anecdotal evidence?
one badmin does not mean the entire RSP is a horrible idea....
and by what can be seen you either screwed with the owner in some way because i doubt he just randomly calls you out by name in global chat just to ban you....Pff ... I got multiple bans in BF4 because of:
- not using the allowed loadout per the class that I picked to play with
- for picking the recon class
- for playing with the tank or heli and dominating
- for being a good player and having high KDA + Score
Me personally, I hate the 'custom' BF experience and I don't want to be part of this and maybe that's why I will not play Portal ever - because of previous bad experiences with BF4's custom servers / badmins.
@Stew360 wrote:
@SirBobdk Yes it could . Base game should remain as envisioned and as planned while portal modification tools could be made to accomodate 2042 specialists to be place in the 4 categories with legacy classes limitation in gadjet usage weapons etc..
But AllOutWarfare should remain the experience it was envisioned to be and expanded uppon ..
Portal was made for legacy stuff if they desperatly want it they can have it there and wont be to much work for dice ..I totally agree with what Stew360 mentioned here, this is what I'm also discussing with the rest of the community via other BF official channels like Twitter & Discord.
The devs should stick with their vision and expand it - I'm speaking about 'All Out Warfare' mode. I don't want the base game (=AoW) to be altered by the community.
Portal game mode should be that 'custom' / legacy experience that the vocal part of the community wants.
- SirBobdk4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@VME23
I don't want the base game (=AoW) to be altered by the community.
Portal game mode should be that 'custom' / legacy experience that the vocal part of the community wants.
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The size of the player base determines the future of BF2042 and what Dice chooses to do and right now its seems going fast in the wrong direction. Something needs to be changed and I'm glad I'm not DICE.I hope they solve it.
- X-Sunslayer-X4 years agoSeasoned Ace@VME23 Pff ... I got multiple bans in BF4 because of:
- not using the allowed loadout per the class that I picked to play with
- for picking the recon class
- for playing with the tank or heli and dominating
- for being a good player and having high KDA + Score
"Me personally, I hate the 'custom' BF experience and I don't want to be part of this and maybe that's why I will not play Portal ever - because of previous bad experiences with BF4's custom servers / badmins"
but why go in a rented server with clear rule-set and then break said rules and not expect consequence? that is like going to someones house and behaving like an arse and then be suprised if oyu get kicked out.....
if i go and play BF4 i would either look for a server with a ruleset i can/will abide by or exactly what want.. do i want 24/7 TDM norsha-canals no questions asked? i can go find it
do i want a sweaty lobby of high skill players i can look for that...
but breaking a servers rules and then playing the victim card is somewhat strange to me.... - 4 years ago
@X-Sunslayer-Xhttps://youtu.be/9Zu-Yku9I8U oh look ... isnt this man familiar to you ?
- X-Sunslayer-X4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Stew360 and here comes my migraine again....
lets kill off features becasue there are people abusing it...
lets ignore the fact that no one is forcing you to play on servers run by badmins... lets force everyone in an unenjoyable matchmaker where at times you play the same 3 maps over and over and over and over...
but again you just focus on whatever pushes your argument...
did i ever defend bad admins? no
is ignore a ruleset of a server and then beign kicked eventually acceptabel? no
do servers with bad admins exists still? most likely but from my anecdotal evidence i can tell for every bad admin i have seen at least 9 that were awesome and tried to make it as enjoyable as possible for anyone involved...
but hey keep fighting on your hill... and to top it all off as you yourself have said at least give us persistent servers in portal and you do you and the rest can do themselves in protal. but better keep at it and act like you are any better then a bad admin by belitteling any argument you do not agree with and dismissing it all with the same 4 replies
-"MAG/Planetside did it better"
-"you just want everyone to play how you want it to"
-"this is anecdotal"
-"go play portal if you want xyz"
really you should apply for a job at EA in communications you would fit right in - 4 years ago@X-Sunslayer-X Of course how goes the mustache captain ? Switch switch boom ?
These crap were constant pain trough Bf3 and 4 and made tons of my platoon member to quit the game because it was a pain to get in a server unless we own it it was a pain with all the mess up made up non sens rules and abuse .. it was terrible ... - VME234 years agoRising Hotshot
@X-Sunslayer-X wrote:
@VME23Pff ... I got multiple bans in BF4 because of:
- not using the allowed loadout per the class that I picked to play with
- for picking the recon class
- for playing with the tank or heli and dominating
- for being a good player and having high KDA + Score
"Me personally, I hate the 'custom' BF experience and I don't want to be part of this and maybe that's why I will not play Portal ever - because of previous bad experiences with BF4's custom servers / badmins"
but why go in a rented server with clear rule-set and then break said rules and not expect consequence? that is like going to someones house and behaving like an arse and then be suprised if oyu get kicked out.....
if i go and play BF4 i would either look for a server with a ruleset i can/will abide by or exactly what want.. do i want 24/7 TDM norsha-canals no questions asked? i can go find it
do i want a sweaty lobby of high skill players i can look for that...
but breaking a servers rules and then playing the victim card is somewhat strange to me....There are no other choices (official DICE servers) left since the release of BF1, unfortunately.
What I find curious is that there are no 'high level player' servers in EU region and even if they exist, they are not populated.
Most of the lvl 140 players are joining 'Noob friendly' servers and most of these tryharders are also premade groups who are joining one side (team) - imagine how good the balancing is.
The custom / community servers are a joke right now. I understand their purpose but I prefer to move on and to enjoy what I've paid for - an official experience made by the devs not by the community - if it's not in in this game, then I'll switch to the next one and so on.
I'm not playing the victim, I enjoyed BF4 while it was still supported but I don't like the 'custom' experience - It's like comparing War3 skirmish with the first DOTA mod created in War3 engine - yes, they are built on the same engine, you had the same interface, same buttons, same gameplay at some degree but the experiences are totally different.
And to make myself clear - BF4 is dead to me since the devs dropped the support for official servers. The same thing will happen with BF1, BF5, BF2042 and any BF titles. You cannot convince me otherwise.
- X-Sunslayer-X4 years agoSeasoned Ace@Stew360 then why did you not play on offical servers during these games life span if it were so abhorent to you ? no one forced you to play on rented servers, tough if you want to play now you can not get around them so guess what now servers with badmins die out very fast and popular servers with a good mentality still thrive...
by that logic no one should drive cars because there are bad drivers. what are you even on about?!
like i said you resort to teh same 4 replies, you do nto even want to have a discussion anymore but belittle anyone who dares say something you disagree with. throw your own clips around as much as you want i can find clips showcasing the exact opposite just as easily....
you are just derailing every topic you go to to fit your views no matter what and it is getting very tiresome very fast - 4 years ago@X-Sunslayer-X Switch switch boom !
- X-Sunslayer-X4 years agoSeasoned Ace@VME23 i never disputed that but in both BF1 and BFV you will still find offical servers with no admin control whatsoever. same would apply to 2042 if there were a server browser. i don't understand the point then... like our esteemed guru said many times don't like it don't play it then...
please point to me how a server browser with an option to create rented servers that stay up as long as someone pays for them and the offical DICE servers like BF1 and BFV have in the same browser would make the experience worse for you? heck you can still press quickplay in the emnue if you find ti too much of a hassle to go to a serverbrowser.
but i see this is getting nowhere i guess in this game we all just loose to a degree - SirBobdk4 years agoSeasoned Ace
@X-Sunslayer-X
I have installed BF1 again and my favorite clan server was still active.
I even get to play with some of the same players. This is what BF is about and not this direction towards anonymous servers and anonymous players. Server browser and rental servers was just a better solution than this MM - VME234 years agoRising Hotshot
@X-Sunslayer-X wrote:
@VME23i never disputed that but in both BF1 and BFV you will still find offical servers with no admin control whatsoever. same would apply to 2042 if there were a server browser. i don't understand the point then... like our esteemed guru said many times don't like it don't play it then...
please point to me how a server browser with an option to create rented servers that stay up as long as someone pays for them and the offical DICE servers like BF1 and BFV have in the same browser would make the experience worse for you? heck you can still press quickplay in the emnue if you find ti too much of a hassle to go to a serverbrowser.
but i see this is getting nowhere i guess in this game we all just loose to a degreeI didn't say that a server browser option (in any BF title) will make my experience worse. Same thing applies for any 'official' experience or ruleset hosted by a 3rd party - I have no objections. What I dislike is the custom / altered / modified version of the official ruleset and that's pretty much it.
If you're giving the options, tools and power to any admin - they will bend the rules / alter them by what he or a small group thinks the game works better - this is why you won't find any official experience in any custom server hosted by a 3rd party.
- X-Sunslayer-X4 years agoSeasoned Ace@VME23 so basically since a few abused it now everyone must loose the option? why can't these two things co-exists next to eachother in 2042 for example. so you can see offical servers run by DICE trough their servers and rented servers with special rulesets (just like in BF1or BF4 while it was still supported) how is that not a win win for everyone and if someone abuses their power implement a report function or avoid those people...