I have made a personal assessment to see which specialists are the most or least efficient in each map (only maps of 2042). I considered the efficiency and overall impact of a specialist in a specific map and only in conquest mode, regardless of achievable kill count (I believe kill count is mostly depend to player skill). I don’t mention the considered parameters to keep this read as short as possible but below is the results, definitely developer team has access to gameplay data and those data may be different with this personal investigation.- Mackey is the only specialist who stands in top three for all maps- Lis and Rao are the only specialist who ranked as “least efficient” in 3 maps (Stranded, Discarded & Manifest)- Support class (Falk, Angel and Crawford) is the only class that all of its specialist are in an acceptable level in all mapsFrom my point of view some adjustment is required to make these specialist more balanced.Mackey: does he really need to attach the grappling to everything? Maybe it’s better to define some limited objects for attaching to his hook or change his ability to a more “team oriented” skillLis and Rao: I think Lis ability in seeing damaged vehicles to be transferred to Rao and a new ability be assigned to Lis which make her more powerful in defending a point (similar to other engineers such as Irish and Boris)

The gameplay has become stupid gimmicks and unpredictable action because of the specialists. You have turrets, scatter-grenades, adad-spammers, flying people, grappling hooks etc etc which all make the game a total mess of stupid gameplay.In earlier titles things were much more predictable, now it is just a mess of people running around everywhere on the map all the time. This game has more than ever just become one big TDM-game instead of objective play.The specialists have totally ruined the feeling of this being a BF-game.And the core gameplay (spawning, weapon balance, vehicle balance, sound, a ton of unsolved issues/bugs etc etc) are still in a very bad shape, which makes the time Dice have wasted on making the specialists even worse.

@cso7777 it's the same problem with vehicles now that seats 2, 3 and now 4 in the new light tank all increase firepower for the vehicle.They've basically made it impossible to balance vehicles with this design approach.Vehicle secondary spots should be MG only like every other battlefield game.Would've helped to cut down on the complaints about ground vehicles being so annoying to infantry with the spammy secondary weapons with their splash damage properties.

And this is why imo separating them into classes wont change anything. The hero like abilities they have is what broke BF. I hate them and I surrley wont like them even after they separate them into classes.

Mackay and Sundance also take some of the luster away from the classic maps. There were places on the map that players couldn't get to, so it created natural ground pathing. If you were at a certain point, you knew that ground troops and vehicles could only attack via A, B, and C. That is out the window with Mackay and Sundance. That takes away from any type of strategy, which is what made Battlefield great. I think about a map like Argonne Forest, there are places throughout the map that were inaccessible to players, even if they are mapped as out of bounds, that won't stop players from utilizing them as avenues of attack. That would completely change that map.So if you apply that concept to all the current maps, it is a literal sheetshow. There is no way to balance that access with the map design.

@Tank2042Man Dice has kept on making the worst decisions possible on almost any aspect of the game.And now we are in the 'nerf' everything into the ground phase of things, which is very sad.Dice will not scrap the existing vehicles or make meaningful adjustments, but instead keep on nerfing them more and more.The specialists are a problem. MacKay are so overpowered on many maps (like Stranded). They can remove his ADAD-spamming, but how do they nerf his grappling hook without making it obsolete? They have just cornered themselves with the specialists.

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Echo6Echo
3 years ago
@IzEagle wrote:
@Echo6EchoThanks for advising lol... enjoy your game mackay lover
Lol far from it. I'm just trying to figure out why everyone is all over him. It's not that big a deal. If one MacKay on team A gets to some point and kills someone, I can guarantee you that there is a MacKay on Team B stalking him. Just because you get killed by one or two of them, so what? You ever play Valpo and someone would chute into the hill between the two A cap points (CQ) before MacKay? He'd be a PITA until someone got an air vehicle and chuted in to kill him. Same concept. Get off his jock. He's no more annoying than any of the other "specialists" none of which should be in the game. I just don't want another character to be nerfed into oblivion because no one wants to die at all ever and want their 1337 K/D and easy mode button.
Padding_Ur_Stat
3 years ago
I have said from the beginning, different specialists are more valuable on different maps. Same with weapons.
Additionally, this applies to the game as well. Conquest, Breakthrough, Rush.
For example: Once a node is capped in Rush, the sentinel is a big advantage to hold the node until it blows. The common assault to defuse is to use grenades first then charge.   Dozer is advantageous as well.   Not so much on Breakthrough and Conquest because nodal caps are AOE based.
Additionally, the Stranded Rush map has no vehicles, this minimizes the effectiveness of Lis.
Expecting balanced ability on every map and game play is just obtuse.    There are many things to discuss that have issues. This isnt an issue
Tank2042Man
3 years ago
@Echo6Echo wrote:
@IzEagle wrote:
@Echo6EchoThanks for advising lol... enjoy your game mackay lover
Lol far from it. I'm just trying to figure out why everyone is all over him. It's not that big a deal. If one MacKay on team A gets to some point and kills someone, I can guarantee you that there is a MacKay on Team B stalking him. Just because you get killed by one or two of them, so what? You ever play Valpo and someone would chute into the hill between the two A cap points (CQ) before MacKay? He'd be a PITA until someone got an air vehicle and cuted in to kill him. Same concept. Get off his jock. He's no more annoying than any of the other "specialists" none of which should be in the game. I just don't want another character to be nerfed into oblivion because no one wants to die at all ever and want their 1337 K/D and easy mode button.
Haha, I was just about to write the same thing.
There will always be a Mackay who will attempt to take out another Mackay or just spawn as Mackay next time to take him out.
Ironhead841
Hero
3 years ago
@Tank2042Man wrote:
There will always be a Mackay who will attempt to take out another Mackay or just spawn as Mackay next time to take him out.
^^^This^^^ problem solved.
mrtwotimes
3 years ago
I personally like Mackay (I don't mean playing him) because his dumb rope or whatever it is is usually the first thing I notice to spot them and I often enjoy placing a incendiary grenade shot at the end of their line.

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